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LegitSquares
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SkepticalStardust
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Batman is better than Spiderman

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/28/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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LegitSquares

Pro

Batman is a way better superhero than Spiderman(Not saying Spiderman fully sucks) because Batman has lost many tragic people in his life and bought all his gadgets and is WAY more realistic than Spiderman. Batman uses fighting moves he was taught by an instructor. As to where Spiderman magically had the awesome power to fight. Also, Batman was afraid of bats and conquered his fear and became his fear. As to where Spiderman got bit by a spider that doesn't exist and could shoot webs out of his wrists and fight like a mad man. Therefore making Batman better.
SkepticalStardust

Con

First, I'd like to thank my opponent for this debate. I'll now address my opponent's argument.

Below are the reasons you've listed for Batman being better than Spider-Man. Your reasons will all be numbered and my rebuttal to each numbered reason will be two spaces below the end of each reason.

1) "Batman has lost many tragic people in his life"

True, but Spider-Man has also lost people. Batman's parents were killed? So were Spider-Man's parents. Mary and Richard Parker died in the line of duty working for the CIA shortly after Spider-Man was born. Not only does he grow up knowing his biological parents are dead, but he also feels responsible for the tragic death of his father-like uncle.

2) "[Batman] bought all his gadgets"

Do you know where he gets the money to buy those gadgets? Batman orders his suit via Wayne Enterprises. He orders the ears separately to avoid suspicion and orders in bulk to disguise it as a business expense. He uses his company to secretly purchase personal items. Batman is an embezzler. He steals money to physically fight a never ending supply of criminals. Batman should be using his inherited money to help Gotham directly if he wants to make a difference. Batman would do more good as a philanthropist than he ever will as a "super hero".

3) "[Batman] is WAY more realistic than Spiderman"

Batman is a huge embezzler who owns a giant underground Batcave, a Batmobile, and other cutting edge technology. He even has cameras all around the city. He's considered the worlds greatest martial artist after only a few years of training and no one ever recognizes the similarities between the local billionaire and local super hero. Spider-Man takes greater care to conceal his identity. He invents his own gadgets. He isn't even close to being as noticeable as a billionaire. Also, he's a great fighter for reasons other than unrealistically mastering multiple forms of martial arts in an absurdly small amount of time. It's clear that Spider-Man is more realistic than Batman.

4) "Batman uses fighting moves he was taught by an instructor. As to where Spiderman magically had the awesome power to fight"

Batman's fighting moves are all learned. Whether he does it consciously or not, Batman has to recall his learned fighting moves before using them. Spider-Man's fighting moves are a combination of his own inventions and instinct. Instinct is immediate, unlike learned fighting moves. Spider-Man's natural instinct is a more efficient tool for fighting than Batman's learned fighting moves.

5) "Batman was afraid of bats and conquered his fear and became his fear. As to where Spiderman got bit by a spider that doesn't exist and could shoot webs out of his wrists and fight like a mad man."

Spider-Man was bitten by a lethally irradiated spider. Radioactive mutagenic enzymes in the spider's venom quickly caused numerous body-wide changes. Immediately after the bite, Spider-Man was granted his original powers of superhuman strength, reflexes, and balance, the ability to cling to most surfaces, and a "spider-sense." Spider-Man's costume and name makes sense. Naming yourself after a fear that you've conquered is something most super heroes could do several times over.

Now I'll add some arguments in favor of Spider-Man and/or against Batman. My reasoning behind my numbered points will be below the numbered points.

1) Spider-man is believable as a character and Batman isn't.

- Believable = Extreme Circumstances + Realistic Person
- Unbelievable = Mundane Circumstances + Unrealistic Person

- Spider-Man falls under the former and Batman under the latter.
- Spider-Man is bitten by a radioactive spider and gains extraordinary powers. He uses these powers to make money and become famous. Through this selfishness, he loses a loved one and realizes he must use his abilities more responsibly.
Spider-Man's personal flaws are clear. We see him fail, identify with him, and want him to succeed because we see part of our own insecurities and dreams within this character.
- Batman is a rich child when his parents are murdered. He spends millions if not billions of dollars to fight street-level crime with expensive gadgets and karate. Batman is described as the greatest martial artist in the world, mastering virtually all styles. Mastering a single martial art takes a lifetime, but Batman mastered all of them in the span of a few years. Batman is often compared to Sherlock Holmes, but while Holmes was a somewhat quirky character with many unusual affectations (the side-effect of his attention to detail), Batman is simply smarter than everyone else and can get out of any jam. We can't identify with Batman.

2) Batman is irresponsible.
- Batman employs Minors to Draw Gunfire. Even if we accept that a billionaire becomes a master of karate and detecting to fight crime, how can he possibly believe a little kid is qualified to dodge bullets and punch adults in the head? I don't care how great the kid is, if he needs a helping hand that bad, surely with his infinite resources he could find a grown man or woman for the job. Batman's costume is black. It's a great color for stealth in a night time city. What possessed him to dress up a child in bright clothing and send him out to go be shot at by mobsters after less than a year of Bat-training?

3) Batman is incompetent.
- Batman spends ridiculous sums of money to fight robbers. Despite his apparent genius, Batman invests billions of dollars into a campaign to fight the lowest level crimes in the least efficient way. On a good night, he may stop one, maybe two crimes, but the cost of operation per night is easily thousands of dollars, if not more. Flying around in an experimental jet or car, looking for muggers stealing $20 from a purse is a laughable application of resources. Crime is a symptom of socioeconomic factors like poverty. If Batman actually cared about the net reduction of crime, he would spend all that space station money on public works programs and education. If he still wanted to directly fight crime, he could spend those millions on quintupling the police force so he wouldn't have to run around looking for muggers. If he's worried about corruption and organized crime, he could simply buy out the entire system. If he has the resources to single-handedly build Superman a space station, he could easily financially overpower crooked lobbyists and mobsters.

4) Most of Batman's powers are dependent on money.
- Take away Batman's money and he loses his gadgets, suits and hideouts. What's left? The world's best martial artist who happens to be really smart. We wouldn't call this broke Batman a superhero. Spider-Man's power are all his. You could have taken away Spider-Man's web-shooters at some point, but he has since gained the ability to shoot webs naturally. Spider-Man is a natural superhero. Batman is a billionaire in need of psychiatric help.

Sorry for taking so long to post. I look forward to seeing your rebuttals and new arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
LegitSquares

Pro

LegitSquares forfeited this round.
SkepticalStardust

Con

I hope Pro hasn't abandoned this debate. I look forward to your return, Pro.
Debate Round No. 2
LegitSquares

Pro

LegitSquares forfeited this round.
SkepticalStardust

Con

Pro, we hardly knew ye.
Debate Round No. 3
LegitSquares

Pro

LegitSquares forfeited this round.
SkepticalStardust

Con

There's nothing to do other than wait 72 hours for Pro to not post again.
Debate Round No. 4
LegitSquares

Pro

LegitSquares forfeited this round.
SkepticalStardust

Con

SkepticalStardust forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by SkepticalStardust 3 years ago
SkepticalStardust
LegitSquares, would you agree to only posting for 3 of the rounds? 5 rounds seems a bit excessive for this topic. Let me know, please.
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