The Instigator
Teemo
Pro (for)
Winning
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The Contender
witherpig
Con (against)
Losing
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Battle Royal I: Teemo (pro) vs Pikachu (con

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Teemo
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/15/2014 Category: Games
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Teemo

Pro

Hello. Today, I have decided to make a new debate series: Battle royal. In this series, there will be a variety of match ups is battle to the death. This debate shall be about Teemo vs Pikachu. There are a variety of rules associated with this debate however.

The pikachu in this battle is the on that belongs to Ash Ketchum. He is under full control of Ash, and unable to execute attacks under his own will. Teemo is level 18 with Ap runes and masteries, furthermore he has the following items:
  • Rabadon's death cap
  • Zhonya's hourglass
  • Runaan's hurricane
  • Liandry's torment
  • Boots of mobility, Homeguard
  • Nashor's tooth
  • Warding trinket

In addition, he has flash and ghost. He is not however permitted to recall. Pikachu is not using any items (since ash never uses them) and is unable to use any potions or revives.

This battle will take place in summoner's rift.

No other aid may come to either characters (example: more pokemon)

All neutral monsters are disabled in this battle.

All turrets are destroyed.

Anyone on the field may be injured.

This is a battle to the death. Both characters are capable of dying easily. You may not use the argument "Pokemon don't die".

You must follow these guildlines for the battle.
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First round is acceptance only
No swearing
No plagiarism
No going against the battle guidelines
No insulting

The first person to break any of the rules will experiance a 7 point forfeiture.

This debate is impossible to accept. Comment if you would like to take part.
Debate Round No. 1
Teemo

Pro

I thank you for accepting this debate, and I hope we have a fun one. I will now continue to my contentions. There are a variety of reasons on why Teemo would obviously be victorious in this battle. I have a variety of arguments to present.

Argument 1: Head start

Due to homeguarding boots, Teemo gets and instant head start. Because of such, he can effectively create a plan to destroy Pikachu. Homeguards gives you a huge boost of speed, especially on mobility boots. This allows Teemo to travel to any lane at the quickest speed possible for a limited amount of time. [1]


So in this time that he quickly meneuvers to his designated area, he has time to plan things out. He can quickly plant plenty of shrooms, which when activated slows, poisons and damages anybody who stands on it. [2] This gives him a huge advantage.

Argument 2: Superior abilities

Teemo has 4 main abilities, and an amazing passive. Here they are. First of all, he has a blind dart, with 580 range. This not only damages opponents, but prevents them from attacking because they are blinded. His second ability is "move quick". This grants him bonus movement speed, which at full power, which it is at since he is level 18, is far faster than pikachu. His third ability is toxic shot, which is a passive. When shooting a target, the target immediatly becomes poisoned for a duration of time. His 4th amazing ability is his noxious trap. Teemo places shrooms that upon contanct damage, poison and slows the opponent. And lastly, his passive camouflouge allows him to become invisible when he is standing still. [2]


Furthermore, he get's granted abilities from his items. Runaan's Hurricane allows him to shoot mulitple targets, and grants bonus 70% attack speed. [3] So, he could shoot both Ash and Pikachu with tremendous speed. He also has Zhonya's hourglass. This grants +120 Ap, and +50 armor. He is also granted the ability to go invulnerable for 2.5 seconds, so that no attacks may even touch him. [4] His warding trinket allows him to place wards in specific area to diminish the fog of war. He now has sight of where Pikachu and Ash are on the map. [5] Along with that, his shrooms also slightly diminish the fog of war, also allowing him to view the map.

Pikachu on the other hand has much inferior abilities. The moves Ash's Pikachu knows are Thunderbolt, Quick attack, Electro ball, Volt tackle and Iron tail.[6] Pikachu needs a target to use all these abilities. Though his thunder bolt can do some damage, Teemo can easily dodge it, and in the process Ash would get hurt. [7] Quick attack allows him to attack first, however with Teemo's crazy attack speed due to runaan, while Pikachu is coming, Teemo could already land plenty of hits. [8] Electro ball becomes stronger depending on how much you are faster than your opponent. [9] Teemo with his move quick is faster than Pikachu. Volt tackle injures pikachu as well, so pikachu will take plenty of damage. [10] Iron tail is effective, however Teemo could as well easily dodge it. [11]

Pikachu however cannot dodge the darts. As you can see in League of Legends, Teemo's auto attack and his blinding dart always land if you target the person. So, Pikachu is incapable of dodging it, and thus will automatically take the damage.

Argument 3: Ash the nice guy

Ash, Pikachu's owner would never allow Pikachu to kill. Since this battle is to the death, it would now be impossible for Pikachu to win since he is under Ash's control, and Ash would never kill. Also, since Pikachu is under Ash's control, if Ash was killed, Pikachu would be unable to fight according to the guidelines we established. So, it would be impossible for Pikachu to win.

Argument 4: Poison

As you can see in the anime, when a pokemon is poisoned, it deals tremendous damage. Furthermore, it practically paralyses the pokemon.


Poison has a huge effect on pokemon. Using it on them, since Teemo's has plenty of poison darts would kill Pikachu pretty darn fast.

Conclusion

In conclusion, Teemo has superior skills and huge advantages due to his items, and skills. Furthermore, because of Ash, Teemo wouldn't even die. It's obvious who would win this fight.

Sources:

[1] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com...
[2] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com...
[3] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com...'s_Hurricane
[4] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com...'s_Hourglass
[5] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com...;
[6] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...'s_Pikachu
[7] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)
[8] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)
[9] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)
[10]http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)
[11] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)
witherpig

Con

I would like to start by countering your arguments. You said that Teemo would go first according to Superior speed but Pikachu
knows quick attack, if you are familiar to the game quick attack ALWAYS goes first.

You said Teemo's blind dart could deal impressive damage and blind Pikachu but i find Pikachu could use iron tail as a defensive move to.

Any regard to poison- If Pikachu managed an iron tail and poison projectile would be ineffective.

Teemo's Shroom mines? Pikachu and ash are not blind.

Being invincible for 2.5 seconds is not that long.

In theory Teemo can only be invisible while standing still and Pikachu would only have to attack were he has seen Teemo last.

Ash the nice guy? If Teemo was trying to kill Pikachu he would not hesitate.
Debate Round No. 2
Teemo

Pro

REFUTATIONS

"Superior speed but Pikachu
knows quick attack, if you are familiar to the game quick attack ALWAYS goes first."You said Teemo's blind dart could deal impressive damage and blind Pikachu but i find Pikachu could use iron tail as a defensive move to."

Not neccesarily. As you may know, if 2 pokemon use quick attack, the faster pokemon attacks first. Teemo's "w" is just like quick attack, so upon activation, due to mobility boots Teemo is faster, and thus capable of shooting various darts before pikachu approaches. Furthermore, pikachu cannot block it with iron tail if he is using quick attack because pokemon are incapable of using 2 moves at once. So, a blinding dart will make pikachu miss, and furthermore plenty of poison darts shall instantly paralyze Pikachu.

"Any regard to poison- If Pikachu managed an iron tail and poison projectile would be ineffective."

Exactly, if he manages to. The issue is however that with runaan's hurricane, Teemo shoots plenty of darts, and Pikachu is incapable of blocking all of them, since he has a limit of how long he can hold his iron tail.

"Teemo's Shroom mines? Pikachu and ash are not blind."

With blinding darts they are. And regardless, when Teemo plants his shrooms, they are invisible.

" Being invincible for 2.5 seconds is not that long."

It is long enough to block out a thunderbolt, and right after shoot plenty of poison darts before Pikachu shoots again

"Ash the nice guy? If Teemo was trying to kill Pikachu he would not hesitate."

Oh really now? In the pokemon movie, Mewtwo turns Ash into stone, and essentially kills him. However, with Pikachu's tears he is revived. But, afterwards did he go on a hunt to kill Mewtwo? No! Ash is only 10 years old, he doesn't intend on killing anyone or anything. In fact, in some episodes he is dissapointed when he hurts another pokemon too much. Ash is extremely nice, and would never kill!

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All my opponent did was counter my arguments, and his refutation are already deamed invalid. He presented no argument whatsoever on why Pikachu would win in this fight. I thank you for accepting this debate, and presenting a slight challenge.

witherpig

Con

witherpig forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Owlz 2 years ago
Owlz
This interests me. But I wont/can't accept for the following reasons. One; I don't meet one of your requirements. Two; Ash and Ash's Pikachu strategically and statistically suck.
Pikachu's move-set is usually terrible throughout the anime, Pikachu's EVs are relatively random and ill placed, and Pikachu has average IVs.
Ash, in my opinion, is a terrible Pokemon trainer and strategist, except during some parts of the Diamond/Pearl/Platinum seasons and the Orange Island seasons.
In, short. By specifying Ash and Ash's Pikachu it makes this debate, for Con, nearly impossible to win.
Should you allow the Pikachu's EV's, IV's, a held item, and 4-move moveset to be specified by the Con and make the Con the "trainer" then the debate would be more acceptable. I agree though that the use of non-held items should be abolished (Ex: potions, revives, etc.). But if you can specify a set for Teemo then Pikachu should also be semi-customizable and a hold item should be allowed.
Posted by yomama12 2 years ago
yomama12
accept me ( btw, were doing the Teemo from League of Legends, right?)
Posted by witherpig 2 years ago
witherpig
i would like to debate
Posted by Teemo 2 years ago
Teemo
Not rlly, since pikachu's moveset is decided in the anime/
Posted by Duncan 2 years ago
Duncan
Isn't it a little one sided if Teemo gets all these items, but Pikachu doesn't get to decide its own moveset? Or have items of its own?
Posted by Teemo 2 years ago
Teemo
@jason, the rule said no extra help, so there are no minions
Posted by IAlwaysWinDebates 2 years ago
IAlwaysWinDebates
Also I'd like to say that Witts End would be a more sufficient item than Runnans seeing as you're only fighting one enemy and you need to low his MR.
Posted by IAlwaysWinDebates 2 years ago
IAlwaysWinDebates
Also I'd like to say that Witts End would be a more sufficient item than Runnans seeing as you're only fighting one enemy and you need to low his MR.
Posted by IAlwaysWinDebates 2 years ago
IAlwaysWinDebates
Nothing beats Teemo Riot plez nerf.
Posted by Ja50n 2 years ago
Ja50n
Hey again
are minions allowed on both teams on the summoners rift or just for teemo's team?
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