Being Atheist means being Inhuman (Atheism is Anti-Humanism)
In the name of God, The Most Gracious & The Most Merciful.
May Peace & Mercy of Almighty God be Upon All of You..!
The topic under debate will be "Being Atheist means being Inhuman" or we can say that atheism is anti-humanism.
Where we define
An Atheist: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
First Round is of Acceptance but If Con would like to Take BOP(Burden of Proof) & build his case He can go ahead or else I would present my Views, then the debate will go on to defy each others claim, I have let lose the Limit of text to express yourself better but please be precise & use simple English to reach all readers.
Either ways I'm going to present my claim by saying that any person on this world can be a human, and especially the proper atheists are considered to be the best type of humans on earth, and the most valued ones.
What I think is this, a person can be considered a proper human being if he knows, and builds his thoughts, on evidence, and on clever thinking, and logic.
Now when you present your ideas, and tell me why specifically do you think atheists are not humans, in details, and in more specific manner, we can start the real deal.
LoopsEye forfeited this round.
& is waiting for reply from loopseye.
In the Name of God Most Gracious Most Merciful.
When the woman asked him, “Don’t you have any decency?” he said these words:
You stupid woman, there is no decency. There is no God.
This statement is my argument in the nutshell!
Al-Wasi (The Omnipresent), Al-Qadeer (The Omnipotent), Al-Aleem (The Omniscient)
Above are the attribute of the Supernatural being which Muslims believe, Allah. (There are 99 attributes of Allah)
Omnipresent means: He is present everywhere.
Omnipotent means: He is capable of doing anything.
Omniscient means: He is All Knowing.
Now when a person has his 'belief' in a being that is present everywhere, is capable of doing anything & is all knowing. This is a key for him to Do Good & Refrain from Doing Bad. (How? we will see later)
A Non-believer of God:
What can stop a non-believer (of God) from doing wrong and what can tend him to do Good?
Ethics? Moral Values? His Self-Conscious? Guilt Factor? These are the possible things or you can say or Law & Enforcement? His fear of death? Love etc. etc. Is there anyone who can stop this man from doing wrong and convince for doing good?
Let me ask you?
Is Stealing/Robbing Good or Bad? Everyone will say Its Bad
If I hypothetically say I am a Logical Person I do everything with fair logic & I believe in Science! & I say I am a great Robber & a great Smuggler its awesome it brings me lots of money I have earned a lot and I’m earning day & night I just love it and I will never stop robbing unless there is any harm for me in it?
Just Tell Me Only One Reason LOGICAL & SCIENTIFIC Why I should stop robbing & Smuggling what is wrong in it for me?
An Atheist Believes there is NO GOD! & THERE IS NOTHING LIKE LIFE AFTER DEATH ALL THIS IS ILLOGICAL & UNSCIENTIFIC!
Let’s analyze the following Scenarios from Our Daily Life
I can go on & on to give such examples where there is nothing can stop a person except fear of someone who is Above Him & Above All.
Imagine Bill Gates! If he tends to be wicked!
He is holding a property of 727, 000, 000, 00 USD that is 4676791000000.00 INR or 9661830000000.00 LKR what can he not do then? Who is there to stop him? Govt. is in his feet who next? Thousands of Private Guards He has Who Next? He is hidden no one knows he where he is and he is mass killing! What can stop him? ONLY AND ONLY IF HE BELIEVES THAT THERE IS SOMEONE ABOVE HIM AND HE IS MIGHTER THEN HIM AND POWERFUL THEN HIM AND HE NOTHING INFRONT OF GOD, ONLY THEN CAN HE REFRAIN FROM DOING WRONG!
Its as simple as 2+2=4
I STILL DO NOT SAY SAY THAT ALL AHIEST ARE WRONG AND WICKED PEOPLE!
THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT STANDING ON THE CROSS ROAD OF RIGHT AND WRONG.
If someone has a very pious wife and she says I am very pious but I will live in a brothel!
Accepted that she is very pious but standing there like that is that justified? No! Will a person accept it? No! No matter how much a person is pious he has to be in his boundaries
And standing out of boundaries makes a person inhuman and anti humanist!
I can go on and on explain this but now I would like to hear what con claims!
We conclude that there is nothing can stop an atheist except his own self if he does not believe in GOD…
That means … An Atheist almost considersHim a god!
Because Hedoes not think that anyone is above them and no one is holding his bridle that makes him an independent entity! Who can do anything! ANYTHING!
Science says Human is a Domestic Animal what makes him domestic? His Submission to obedience to God! If there is no submission he becomes wild and inhuman.
I have many more things to say but cannot due to limitations...
Even those who call themselves Christians, Muslims and do not fear God & do Injustice & Spread Violence in Mother Earth are also Atheist by Nature! If not by name though!
you seem to have an attitude towards atheism, even though they are people who don't fear any superior power that will punish them, that doesn't mean their logical thinking pushed them to kill people or do bad things even if it holds some good for them, but on the contrary they actually do good because they believe in right actions , they believe that human beings are very lucky to make it this far in the evolutionary process so they know that people should learn to respect one another and have duties for one another, and they believe that a person is able to do good because it is the right thing to do and that's how he wants to live his life.
But you on the contrary do good things because you want a present in return, and your afraid of doing bad things, because you think that God will punish you, not because you know, and believe that it is the right thing to do towards humanity, your belief in doing right, and not doing wrong, is the golden core of Anti-Humanism, and you build your relation with your God based on fear and trade, so that idea itself is considered to be a petty idea or reason.
you directed about 70 % of your argument giving examples on what you think atheists would do in different scenarios, but I'm going to give you just two examples that will summarize the whole point because talking too much isn't going to solve the problem.
1-You said an atheist values himself more then any other thing in the world, and since there is no after life, you claim that atheists prefers not to do any type of sacrifice, or anything, that will make them killed. Then please explain to me why communists fought around 23 wars in history knowing that they are based on an atheistic thoughts and beliefs it's Strange isn't it ? How could they value their case, land, and belief more than themselves??
2-Atheist charity recently collected about 1 million dollars and gave it to needy people, and again I ask why ??
they could have taken them for themselves, or done something else with them,what made them defy your logic and do something good ?
Well my friend you should know that atheists use logic to reason to know the truth, if you choose to believe a certain religion from hundreds of religions, or you choose to believe blindly in a God from the hundreds of Gods on the table and not realizing that your God is man-made so it is your problem for being so shallow and ignorant, but don't criticize people for wanting to know the truth and not believing in any offered stupid ones.
Without religion you would have good people doing good things, and bad people doing bad things, but to have good people doing bad things that takes religion.
your building up scenarios and guessing what would atheists would do based on the common logic not knowing that sometimes doing good defies logic in any person, but if I had an atheist to build up scenarios on what would religious people do, or what their God asked them to do with people holding other religion, that will build up hundreds of cases.
killing people because their circumstances doesn't offer them your religion ?
building wars and attacking other religions and kill them all ?
killing scientists because they taught people that the earth is a sphere like planet since it is incompatible with the religious claims at that time ?
Is that the humanity your talking about ?
Is that your God ?
religious people are the last people in the world who have the right to talk about humanism,and morality.
May Peace & Mercy of God be Upon You... & Readers...?
THESE ARE ONLY TEN AND THOSE WHO ARE FAMOUS CAN YOU THINK OF THOUSANDS OF COMMAN ATHIESTS??
ATHEISM MEANS ME I MY SELF… THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHERS… THOUGH THOUGH BY THEIR SELF THEY MUST BE DOING A HUNDRED GOOD THINGS BUT AGAIN!! IT’S THEIR MOOD OF DOING GOOD? BUT WHAT IF IT CHANGES???
So as you said
Can Atheism be followed by whole world? If Hypothetically Whole world follows atheism and there are Trillions of Good/Bad People what would happen? It would be disaster of Humanity! You must thank those who have concept of God Otherwise you and me would have not been on earth even. Due to crime rate!
It hence proves that Atheism cannot be globalised if it happens it’s a tremendous disaster!
This was almost same condition before Islam came in Arab they were known as wildest people on earth and Now Its crime rate is around 1% where America has it +38 percent
“The point is only thing Derives an atheist is his own self” and if he wills he does good (All is well!) if he wills not he does not—it still holds and there is no logical answer to it. Which makes him a God? What else?
It is a wrong claim that God fearing people do Good only for a present there are thousands of Believer of God who do Good because they want to!
And Thousands are there who do not do wrong because they do not want to
The Question is ? ARE ALL PEOPLE SAME? ARE ALL PEOPLE OF SAME THOUGHT PROCESS? SAME WAVELENGTH? SAME ORIGION? SAME CODES & COUNDUCTS? NO!!
There are educated sophisticated people there are uneducated wrong people
By Atheism you can make understand good people who are educated? But there may be someone who does no bad by fear? Who does no bad in return of reward? And Indeed science tells most of things a human does are because of his Greedy nature!
ATHESIM IS NOT FOR ALL!
Moreover I would not quote too many people just one example I would give from history of a mere lady whom thousands of people follow due to her Good Conduct she was a Believer of God:
Rab'ia was an eighth century Sufi saint who set forth the doctrine of "Divine Love." Rab'ia was born into a poor family, orphaned at a young age and was eventually sold into slavery. One night, while her owner witnessed her bowing in prayer, a lamp hung above her head without support, so he freed her. When asked why she walked down the street with a bucket of water in one hand and a lit candle in the other, she replied, "I want to set fire to heaven with this flame and put out the fire of hell with this water so that people will cease to worship GOD for fear of hell or for temptation of heaven. One must love GOD as GOD is Love." She is widely considered to be the most important of the early Sufi poets.
There are thousand and one example in only Islamic History where its easily proven people do good not only for reward nor out of fear but for Love to God to show him Thanks and a Hundred reasons...
I WOULD Conclude with that… you have even spoke about many a points I put forth in my previous argument and here also I state that Atheism is not for All... which means it’s a big fail on account of humanism! And My Claim of Debate still holds
I AM NOT ANSWERABLE ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS YOU CAN ASK ME ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM AND ISLAM SAYS WHICH NO RELIGON SAYS
“ if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind
No relgion is so umabigous and tells that killing a person is equal to killing whole humanity!
People do misuse relgion for their own gains but It is never teaching of a religion NO RELIGION TEACHES TO KILL ANY PERSON IN VAIN NO RELIGION PERMITS ANY KIND OF VOILIANCE OR TERRORISM NO RELIGON TELLS ANYTHING LIKE THAT..
But if a person is atheist he is of his own! No Relgion binds him no authority binds him if he wills he does if he does not he won’t…
MAY GOD GUIDES YOU TO RIGHT PATH…
Commenting on the first part of your argument were you mentioned some atheists who were dictators, and practiced destruction whenever they can, and I tell you yes they did bad things, I don't deny history, and I don't hide behind my finger, but my friend that was not my point, what do you say if I did what you did and start mentioning some names of Islamic extremists, and demonstrated what they did, not because of any reason, but just because they think God wants them to kill every human being holding different religion, would you think I'm capable of saying Islam is an Anti-Humanism movement because of this ? Even though I'm convinced that yes it is, but I don't say it because it is wrong to say it.
My friend the bad thing here is this, Atheism doesn't claim anything to itself, unlike religion that actually took it way up high and made good people have belief that killing other people holding other religions is the right thing to do and we are experiencing it everyday, the Qur'an is a complicated scripture that was translated by 23,000 person who are considered qualified to do so, with 23,000 different ways so I need to know does God really want to confuse people with this ?? or make it easier ?? I mean the variety of Islamic sub-religions isn't pointing to something for you ??? everyone think he is the chosen one and the right one ??
Atheism just offers you to be a free thinker, it never claimed to offer it's followers to do whatever they want, even though some people do mistakes, but you can't blame the whole concept because of this people,just as I don't blame Islam or any other religion to be Anti-Humanistic because of such people.
Commenting on the second part of your argument were you mentioned that atheism is not for all,I would like to say EXACTLY that is the point, humans are different, and it is normal to have different point of views because our nature is like this, Atheism just offers people to have belief with whatever they want freely, with no pressure of burning eternity, and offers mankind to be themselves, as long as their thoughts are above the threshold of the believing that only one person is right, and others are wrong , and that God chooses sides, and much more things that are not even logical or fair.
Concerning have an Atheistic world is very beneficial nowadays under certain conditions :
1-practice whatever you want as long as you don't annoy anyone else .
2-If you do wrong you go to jail, being an atheist doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, OFFCOURSE NOT.
I would like to point something here.
giving an answer to what I presented is not easy and I usually experience people turning into loops to prove to me why they are right, and yet the answer is direct but we choose to twist everything in order to prove ourselves right. But if someone want to reach reality, he must think objectively, and not be afraid of punishment, because we can't be ourselves having this permanent pressure of behaving like someone else, just because we don't want to burn eternally, well that is bad, and that is definitely what God didn't want from people
I can't but say that there is something amazing about this world and something wondrous about how it all starts, that is why each person is free to think and build his belief on what he really experienced and thought of, because eventually I don't think God wants you to mask yourself and be like everyone else. know we got a little bit off topic but that is just something for you to think about.
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