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AtheismJD
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colemclain
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Being Gay/bi-sexual is normal & natural

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AtheismJD
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/7/2014 Category: People
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AtheismJD

Pro

I would like a solid debate. I will be debating on the side that being Gay/bi-sexual is normal & natural.
Round 1 is acceptance the debate.
Round 2 - Opening arguments.
Round 3 - Rebuttals.
Round 4 - Closing arguments.

Rules: The rounds must be followed as stated above.
colemclain

Con

I will be accepting the debate and since you are pro you may go first
Debate Round No. 1
AtheismJD

Pro

Thank you for following the rules.

When in life has there not been people who are gay/bi-sexual, etc? Never. There are things called epigenetics, they are like the backbone of the genes to tell the gene what to do. When someone is born with a different orientation then straight this means that one or more of the epigenetic markers that would of gone into decided the factor of orientation were flipped off. This is the same type of thing that can cause you to get your grandfathers/grandmothers trait rather then one of your parents. That trait was turned off in your parents genes but was turned back on in you.

Ten minute video to explain Epigenetics:

My information came from National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis.
colemclain

Con

colemclain forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
AtheismJD

Pro

Rebuttal - I agree with everything the Con said in the second round.
colemclain

Con

colemclain forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
AtheismJD

Pro

AtheismJD forfeited this round.
colemclain

Con

colemclain forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by AtheismJD 3 years ago
AtheismJD
aus_cjd - Kako - I was about to ream aus_cjd but it seems you did the favor for me. Thanks
Posted by Kako 3 years ago
Kako
aus_cjd your comment is exactly the type of "examinations" that are used solely to devalue others. You are running on gross generalizations that have no merit in scientific study or even the realm of common sense. It is the exactly like the opinions I talked about in my last comment and I find your rant insipid and distasteful:

"Everyone know a child needs his mother and his father.
A father can never be replaced by a women and vice versa."

"Gay men have the same sex drive as heterosexual men so when trying to start a long term stable relationship its more harder than a heterosexual relationship."

"Cheating is more wide spread with gay men. The fact that two men having sex will eventually end up with medical problems. They cant control their bowels. That's making love?"

These points are all loaded with a poison like bias that is fueled by your own sense of personal disgust. Studies have been shown to counter each of your points and even the claims such as wide spread cheating cannot be used with any conclusive proof. Please think before you type.
Posted by aus_cjd 3 years ago
aus_cjd
Gay/ bi sexual people would have a short life expectancy before condoms. Human Biology created diseases to combat this anomaly. When heterosexuals have multiple partners this eventual creates problems with single parents, jealously, unstable environment for children. The basic hunter/gatherer structure will fall apart and children will struggle. Human Biology again makes it clear that multiple partners isn't beneficial thus STD's. Otherwise why would human biology create stds.

Many animals have other anomalies which make it harder and even impossible to procreate. They are killed off to ensure only the strong healthy animals are procreating.

In society the weak are protected even if people want to hurt themselves they are given the right freedom to do so.

Humans are changing every aspect of how lives not caring there are always consequences to our society.
Gay men have the same sex drive as heterosexual men so when trying to start a long term stable relationship its more harder than a heterosexual relationship.
Cheating is more wide spread with gay men. The fact that two men having sex will eventually end up with medical problems. They cant control their bowels. That's making love?
The love between a man and a women can produce a baby/ another life while two men is just Mr Hankie. Crap!

You change the design of humans procreation and rearing a man and women have a child and raise the child together will always be missing something. Everyone know a child needs his mother and his father.
A father can never be replaced by a women and vice versa.

By these reasons Bi or gays that want recognition that they are living normal healthy lives are selfish.
By acknowledging them as normal will create wide spread culture changes which will speed up the collapse of society. Its another step towards it.
look at the big picture

rant over
Posted by Kako 3 years ago
Kako
If the Con is in need of help with their argument, note that homosexuality has the potential to be viewed as an "epigentic disorder".

When you decrease an organisms propensity to reproduce (not take away its ability, but decrease its propensity), what happens to that organism in regards to its need to promote its genetic makeup? For example, how far would mankind have gotten if it didn't "enjoy" reproduction with the opposing sex that can naturally bear its offspring? Better yet, what if that opposing sex couldn't bear it children at all. The very result of this is in opposition to the goal of any life form:

"Organisms undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations."

How readily can a life form include itself in successive generations if it doesn't favor mating with the sex that produces offspring? It can enjoy mating with the same sex but if it opposes mating with the opposite sex then it ultimately possess a trait that doesn't agree with a sustainable process. And if it is a process that 99% of the species an organisms abide by, then it can effectively be seen as not normal with respect to progressive and sustainable life traits.

"When in life has there not been people who are gay/bi-sexual, etc? Never."

The same is true of people with other medical disorders. Just because there have always been people who are born blind doesn't mean it's natural or normal. This is a poor argument.

Many people confuse this with homophobia or religious dogma. It is not. My opinion does not encroach on my promotional ideal of everyone achieving happiness and equality. There are multiple poisonous opinions that affect this topic. To misinterpret this as one of those simply tells me how serious the invest of feelings are in this.
Posted by MrSparklyCow 3 years ago
MrSparklyCow
Dang all the good debates i am on the same side as the instigator
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