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Being Religious in America: Does Not Make You More Likely To Commit Crimes.

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Started: 12/17/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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David12N

Pro

Being religious does not {on average} make you more likely to commit crimes in America. If anything, I would argue some aspects of it, probably make it less likely for you to commit crimes. I don't think prisoners citing a religion can be used to prove religion is the cause of crime {in most cases}. I would say there are many more causes behind crime.
Boom1315

Con

Well it all comes down to how they react and what they really want, say someone killed you mother, you would most likely want justice of revenge. Or say your starving and need food, and you see a candy store closed. It will really com down to what they feel.
Debate Round No. 1
David12N

Pro

I agree somewhat, there are many factors that may come in to play. I think when religious groups try to suggest atheists are going to be bad because they don't have a fixed moral code from God that is ignoring the evidence. Bad does not usually happen because someone does not have a God based moral code. There are many factors that might come into play. Drugs, bad role models, etc. On the flip side, the fact that there are many registered Christians in US prisons does not prove that religion makes them more bad. Just that there are many more Christians in the general population and thus are likely to also be a big chunk of the prison population.
Boom1315

Con

Some religions say crime is ok like killing or other crimes.
Debate Round No. 2
David12N

Pro

No doubt there are religious people who encourage or justify crimes via religion. Most religious people are not committing serious crimes like murder though and most of the people who do commit crimes would not be doing it because of religion.
Boom1315

Con

Boom1315 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by David12N 1 year ago
David12N
I think the claim that a significant proportion of crime is related to views on the afterlife are not backed up by evidence. Look at the causes and circumstances of some murders, like during robberies gone bad, etc. That has nothing to do with being religious or secular. Drugs and alcohol are big contributors to crime and does not tend to be related to secular or religion.

The fact that secular countries like Norway and Japan have lower rates of crime does not mean it is because they are secular. There are many differences between those countries and a country like the United States. That have nothing to do with religion or lack of. They are related to guns, poverty, prison programs, etc.

I question the greater the intellect the less likely to commit crimes. Some of the most famous serial killers are highly intelligent {based on IQ scores}. White collar criminals another group of sometimes smart criminals. It is also a misconception for some atheists to imply they are more intellectual than religious people, party or solely because they don't believe No doubt, you would find atheists holding misconceptions about specific issues like say welfare reform or minimum wage issues or be racist or whatever. It is also a misconception to think religious people just blindly follow like sheep. There is an entire group of liberal Christians that debate and question theological positions.
Posted by Aurigae54 1 year ago
Aurigae54
In a psychological sense, it makes complete sense that secular's are less likely to commit crimes, by not believing in God, a vast majority also dismiss there being an afterlife. Thus I would assume they would be far more attentive in preserving their lives. On the flip side, the reason Islamic terrorists even exist is because they believe in jihad and an afterlife.
Posted by Aurigae54 1 year ago
Aurigae54
I think this article accurately dismisses your entire argument:

https://www.psychologytoday.com...
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
Your right there are many religious that have PhDs, however they did not acquire there PhDs using their faith. Beliefs and faiths do not establish "truths" or facts. Does rational thinking require the adherence to beliefs at all? Does productive science, ethics, or a satisfied life require any attachment to a belief of any kind? Can we predict future events, act on data, theories, and facts without resorting to the ownership of belief?
Posted by ZacGraphics 1 year ago
ZacGraphics
@missmedic Religion isn't intellectual suicide. There are plenty of religious people who have PhDs in many areas. Is your statement concluding that religious people cannot learn, cannot be reasonable, and cannot think abstractly?
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
The greater the intellect the less likely you are to commit crimes.
The greater the intellect the less likely you are to be religious.
The word "intellect," is the ability to learn and reason " especially the ability to think abstractly " as distinguished from one's emotional or other mental faculties.
http://www.alternet.org...
Posted by UtherPenguin 1 year ago
UtherPenguin
@bananaedmonkey False Cause Fallacy.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Religion is a crime against humanity. It makes us religious..But we are only humans. Nothing more. Nothing less...Religion is the "more and less"... That we can never be. Crime is human...Religion makes it "more or less"
Posted by bananaedmonkey 1 year ago
bananaedmonkey
the most atheistic country in the world, Iceland, rides on being 88% atheist.
Iceland has the one of the lowest crime rates in the world, much lower then the USA.
Posted by ZacGraphics 1 year ago
ZacGraphics
@AngryBlogger We don't know the true percentage of religious people in America, because Religion has become a bandwagon. People can claim to be religious, but in reality, are unaffiliated.
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