Belief in the god of the bible is irrational
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Belief in the god of the Bible is irrational because rational belief requires substantial evidence, and as such a thing doesnt exist belief in god is not rational.
If my oponent has evidence of god please post is in the first round.
http://www.oldearth.org...). The Bible supports evolution. God had the Earth "bring forth" living things. IhaveMoreProofButImOutOfSpace! IwillFinishInOtherRounds
All of that being said your second argument is meaningless, and im not sure why you added it because you're basically just saying evolution could have happend if god existed which doesnt even attempt to further your stance in this debate. I will not bother arguing with how you obtained that conclusion as it would be a waste of my time.
(Kreeft, Peter. "How Can You Prove That God Is Real?" Because God Is Real: Sixteen Questions, One Answer. San Francisco: Ignatius, 2008. 48. Print.) So, either we are extremely extremely lucky, or God is real. I doubt this all just happened randomly (unless the Big Bang happened many, many, many more times in other universes and we happen to be the extremely rare one with carbon, which seems waaay less plausible than God
This doesn't aid my case but you said that the multiverse hypothesis (which has no evidence for or against it) is way less plausible the god hypothesis (which has evidence on the contrary). The evidence against god is that the god of this debate created the earth is six days and we know from substantial reaserch research that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
"The decay of uranium isotopes to lead isotopes in samples indicates that all the planets in our solar system formed 4.5 billion years ago" that was paraphrased from the official USGS website.
Biblical prophecies: "There are over 2,000 accurately fulfilled predictions in the Bible, including some 300 specific details and implications about the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. For example, Isaiah 53 beautifully describes the life of Christ 700 years before it took place! Even the town of Jesus' birth was foretold in the Old Testament (Micah 5:2). And there are no prophetic failures." From (http://www.faithfacts.org...).
Also, Jesus kept saying that He was God. Any liar would deny it later rather than die. Would anyone persist in lying to the point of an extremely painful death? No. Jesus told the truth.
I know what you said about yom and I have something to say on this. You can't just say 7 days could mean something similar to 1,700,000,000,000 days! You clearly don't have anything to certify this claim because of the way you said could and similar. I also said at the start of the debate the god of the literal interpretation of the bible. If you want yom to mean 4.5 billion years give an example where it means a period of time this immense. There is a Jewish festival named Yom Kippur meaning *day* of atonement.
Also not once did Jesus actually say that he was god.
Do not present more arguments in the last rounds, just respond to everything that I have said.
"In Isaiah 30:8, it says 'Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever.' In this case, Yom is equal to 'forever.' How long is forever? An infinite number of years...billions upon billions upon billons of years. If Yom can equal trillions of years here, then why not billions of years in Genesis?" (from http://www.oldearth.org...)
"Day 6 is also a problem for the 24-hour interpretation....Adam's response to Eve's creation was 'at last,' indicating that he thought the day was very long indeed." (from http://www.godandscience.org...)
That article has more examples supporting a long yom.
Secondly, Jesus claimed to be God many times! Ex when "Jesus Said He Could Forgive Sins" and "Jesus Said He Was the Same as God 'The Father and I are one.' " ( these quotes From http://www.everystudent.com...)
First of all I scanned through KJV genesis & I couldn't see Adam saying "at last" anywhere.
Secondly if you waited a few hours for someone to turn up your response could be "at last".
Thirdly the "yoms" couldn't have been that long because after the seventh "yom" had passed and Adam & Eve had left the garden of Eden, Seth was born and Adam was only 130 years old, so 1 yom must be less than 130 years.
Also if a yom could be about U28; of the universes length are you saying the Sabbath could be the holy 2 billion years?
I think the voters will agree with me in that these are hardly claims. I also checked the internet & they were pretty much the only one that I could find. Also the bible can"t count as evidence which I explained in the comments.
I might answer round 5 in the comments.
God is still irrational.
There have been MANY miracles (watch to the end :https://m.youtube.com...) and stories of people temporarily dying, visiting Heaven, seeing God (the God of the Bible, whom this debate is about) and coming back to tell about it. I recommend the book "Heaven is for Real," about a very young child who goes to Heaven while in a hospital, and comes back and explains it in a biblically accurate way, even recognizing a picture of his grandpa (from when the grandpa was young) because he saw his grandpa in Heaven, where everyone looks young. A child that little wouldn't recognize a young version of his grandpa.
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Reasons for voting decision: Lets start with the Yom argument. Con could not give a good example of Yom being used for an infinite amount of time but the argument that it could mean an unspecified amount of time is satisfactory. Con brought out the fine tuning argument for God and Pro did not refute it so Con established the existence of God. Con brought out prophesies in the bible and Pro did not refute that either establishing the Christian God. Con tried to rush in near death experiences as well but that was the last post of the last round and Con didn't have a change to respond to it so it doesn't count. All in all Con established that there was some evidence for a creator and the Christian God, and the belief in God was rational not irrational, while Pro was just obsessed with Yoms.
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