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rhettbomb
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beem0r
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Beliving in technology that will make the world easier will lead to the end of life as we know it.

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Started: 7/8/2008 Category: Technology
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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rhettbomb

Pro

If you haven't seen Terminater you will know what I mean. Or maybe even the new Dia hard move "Live Free, or Die Hard". When a cyber nut uses technology to hack into the government and destroys the American economy, infastructure of energy gas and tranpertation. Or even these articles will help:
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Is This World Cyber War I?
05.01.01/ Michelle Delio/ http://www.wired.com...

A new alert from the FBI-led National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) confirms that hackers have been particularly active over the past two days. The distributed-denial-of-service attacks on the Department of the Interior's National Business Center, the U.S. Geological Survey's site and Pacific Bell Internet Services are among the largest so far.

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World faces "cyber cold war" threat!
Peter Griffiths/Nov 29, 2007/http://www.reuters.com...

A "cyber cold war" waged over the world's computers threatens to become one of the biggest threats to security in the next decade, according to a report published on Thursday.

About 120 countries are developing ways to use the Internet as a weapon to target financial markets, government computer systems and utilities, Internet security company McAfee said in an annual report.

Intelligence agencies already routinely test other states' networks looking for weaknesses and their techniques are growing more sophisticated every year, it said.

Governments must urgently shore up their defenses against industrial espionage and attacks on infrastructure.

"Cybercrime is now a global issue," said Jeff Green, senior vice president of McAfee Avert Labs. "It has evolved significantly and is no longer just a threat to industry and individuals but increasingly to national security."
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Estonia hit by 'Moscow cyber war
17 May 2007/ http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Estonia says the country's websites have been under heavy attack for the past three weeks, blaming Russia for playing a part in the cyber warfare.
Many of the attacks have come from Russia and are being hosted by Russian state computer servers, Tallinn says. Moscow denies any involvement.

Estonia says the attacks began after it moved a Soviet war memorial in Tallinn. The move was condemned by the Kremlin.The Estonian government says its state and commercial websites - including a number of banks - are being bombarded by mass requests for information - overwhelming their computer servers.

Targets of the so-called denial-of-service attacks have also included the Estonian foreign and defence ministries and leading newspapers and banks.
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Al Qaeda Declares Internet Jihad
10/30/2007/Dr. Rusty Shackleford/ http://www.democraticunderground.com...

In a special Internet announcement in Arabic, picked up DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources, Osama bin Laden's followers announced Monday, Oct. 29, the launching of Electronic Jihad. On Sunday, Nov. 11, al Qaeda's electronic experts will start attacking Western, Jewish, Israeli, Muslim apostate and Shiite Web sites. On Day One, they will test their skills against 15 targeted sites expand the operation from day to day thereafter until hundreds of thousands of Islamist hackers are in action against untold numbers of anti-Muslim sites....

Our sources say the instructions come in simple language and are organized in sections according to target. They offer would-be martyrs, who for one reason or another are unable to fight in the field, to fulfill their jihad obligations on the Net. These virtual martyrs are assured of the same thrill and sense of elation as a jihadi on the "battlefield."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The cyber war will destroy the America as we know it if they attack us just right.
beem0r

Con

First, my opponent cites two movies as to why better technology will mean the death of civilization.

I have seen Terminator. Let us recall what happened in the Terminator series. Did life perish completely? No. Not only that, but IT'S A MOVIE. It's not a reflection of reality.

I have not seen this other movie. But yet again, let us recall that it is a movie. It is like me citing Harry Potter as evidence that magic exists. Fiction, my friends, cannot be used as evidence.

My opponent then cites something from 2001. In this, we learn that back in 2001, some hackers tried to use denial-of-service on the Department of the Interior's National Business Center, the U.S. Geological Survey's site and Pacific Bell Internet Services. I would like to point out that this has nothing to do with the end of life as we know it. Denial-of-service attacks are not dangerous as far as people's lives are concerned. Nor do they damage data. They basically just force a server to go offline. That's it.

Next, an article where an internet security firm reports that there is a great deal of danger to our country as far as internet attacks are concerned. First, let's realize that this is an internet security firm saying this. Next, let's realize that these supposedly 'massive' attacks back in 2007 had basically zero impact on any of us. This is because security is good enough, and it always will be.

Next, an article about Denial-of-service attacks on Estonian sites, including some banks. Oh no, they're going to force the servers to go offline for a bit! How will life as we know it continue to exist?!?!?

Next, another report about some Muslim hackers starting an internet Jihad back in 2007. Did anyone ever feel the effects of this? No. Because only unimportant sites have major security weaknesses.

No major problems for life as we know it have been caused by 'cybercrime' thus far, and none probably ever will. Why? Because things are only getting more and more secure as the age of the internet comes into maturity.

There is nothing wrong with "Technology that will make the world easier." My opponent has not given any evidence as to a real danger to life as we know it. We can therefore take the default position that rather than it ending life as we know it, it will simply make the world easier.
Debate Round No. 1
rhettbomb

Pro

rhettbomb forfeited this round.
beem0r

Con

Perhaps my opponent needed more than 3 days to come up with a suitable response. Or perhaps he simply cannot, and has thus accepted defeat.
Debate Round No. 2
rhettbomb

Pro

rhettbomb forfeited this round.
beem0r

Con

My opponent has forfeited once again. It seems that he was either occupied elsewhere or simply could not respond to my points.

Either way, my R1 points still stand unrebutted, so vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by PoeJoe 9 years ago
PoeJoe
I can't read this crap. Don't break the barrier with all you tildas next time!
Posted by dashizanetta 9 years ago
dashizanetta
This is somewhat off topic.

I think the ending of a productive life may be more accurate. I feel the more we have given to us, the less we use what we're naturally given. This takes away our originality and our creativity. I believe before there was technology, human life was greatly valued because you didn't know what was happening around you. Now, we have access to whatever we want at the dispose of our fingertips. The things that should interest us are boring, and the things that don't matter entertain us. If there is a God, or higher power, is this who we were intended to become? Or have we gone spiraling out of control?
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
I dunno. I went into a gas station to buy a coke and the cashier couldn't sell it to me because "the computers are down". It's not hacking into our technology that is going to cause our downfall, it's relying on it for every little thing that will. If you can't take my buck and a quarter in cash because "the computer is down" we are in serious trouble here.
Posted by Mogget 9 years ago
Mogget
Haha, those hackers are doing a rather dismal job at ending life as we know it.
Posted by Puck 9 years ago
Puck
It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

The correlation between tech increase and life expectancy is very high.
Posted by Rezzealaux 9 years ago
Rezzealaux
don't say ending life as we know it like it's a bad thing.

"life as we know it" is pretty corrupt and boring anyways.
Posted by Im_always_right 9 years ago
Im_always_right
Ummm did you mean if you HAVE seen terminator you will agree.
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