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GetRektM8
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Phobyoe
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Bernie Sanders would make a good president.

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Started: 10/23/2015 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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GetRektM8

Con

I believe that Burnie Sanders would be a terrible president due to the fact that he is currently 74 years old and having a president that old could be dangerous.
Phobyoe

Pro

Doesn't being old in fact show how much more wise he is? He is in a very healthy condition and there is proof all over the internet that he walks to work everyday and most likely does more to stay in shape. This man won't die within any short period of time due to natural causes in the condition he is in. He shows no signs of dementia or any mental illness. Using the fact of the man's age just shows how petty you are being.
Debate Round No. 1
GetRektM8

Con

Well at that age your health can take a crazy turn at any moment even if he seems healthy at this point in time in a couple years who knows what will happen? He would be the oldest man ever elected into office. Also Burnie Sanders wants to cut funds to the military when there are so many conflicts that we are currently involved in all over the world this could infect the entire world not just the United States. Plus he wants to make the government have a bigger role which would make our national debt grow even larger because we would have to finance it when we are already in a huge debt? Also if you have seen any pictures of him the man cant even comb his hair properly! How can a man who cant comb his hair run the United States?
Phobyoe

Pro

A man in a perfectly healthy condition, no matter the age, will not just die or have full on dementia, within his full 4 years. Also wouldn't being the eldest president just help with all the experience he has had over all the years of his life? The only reason he will be cutting military spending is to find diplomatic solutions first, instead of using American lives as the first line of action. Money he is going to be using to help the working force to get back to work and stimulate the economy, will be coming from a few very rich upper classes, who although might well have earned their money, are only going to be missing less than a few percent of their income they make in a year. Plus freedom of hairstyle is a natural human right!
Debate Round No. 2
GetRektM8

Con

He may be in a healthy condition currently but it is completely possible that he can die in the next four years. Multiple things can happen. He can fall and break his frail legs and have to be in a wheel chair during his presidency. I don't want a weak elderly man being the face of our nation! Also his "experience" as you call it hasn't helped anyone while he has been a senator! He has been outshined by many other senators who have had way less experience than he has had. If he cuts our military fund and someone, for instance, North Korea decides to launch a nuclear missile at us I don't think a diplomatic talk will help us out very much. They haven't so far! He never stated that he was going to use this money to help out the economy maybe he will put the money towards helping the economy or maybe he will put the money towards something else. We dont know. I mean this is the guy saying we should increase minimum wage nationwide! Of course he has his freedom of hairstyle but he should at least make him self look presentable. Even if we currently have the right to have an abortion doesn't mean you should have an abortion
Phobyoe

Pro

These "Multiple problems" that could happen to Bernie Sanders, don't appear to have any correlation to his age, in fact breaking your legs happens to people of all ages. Even if he did break his leg and have to be in a wheelchair, this would not make him appear weak. One of our most renowned Presidents, Franklin D. Roosevelt, was in a wheelchair, wasn't he the president to boost America's economy in the worst economic depression this country has seen? Who are these "Senators" you speak of that so outshined Sanders? When Sanders is politically active speaking with the President himself and going along the streets speaking to the common man he is being outshined? North Korea is a very extreme example, and even so will adding more military spending, that will agitate North Korea more, really improve the situation that is so fragile, I don't think anyone can agree on that. Sanders has also specifically stated that the money for the National Government, will be going to clean renewable energy resources, better health care to all people (especially the veterans!), and to help boost the economy with better wages for the working class to stimulate the economy. Could you please define your terms, specifically presentable, which is just atrocious to use for the man's hairstyle which is his choice. And are you really as low to go to a totally off topic discussion about abortion?
Debate Round No. 3
GetRektM8

Con

I thought it was common knowledge that when you age you lose bone mass or density. When that happens you are more likely to break bones than a younger person. Hence when an elderly man/woman needs help when they have fallen because they are frail. Also Franklin D. Roosevelt had polio. FDR actually tried to keep his disability out of pictures so that he didn't seem like a weak old man in front of the world. He would not permit people to take his picture in his wheel chair it was NOT ALLOWED. FDR did all this for political reasons the American people would never have chosen a disabled man to lead them. This is a fact. Well one senator for example that outshined burnie sanders was Elizabeth Warren she had done more than bernie in just over two years than Sanders did in the 19 years he served in Congress before she had arrived.
Shouldnt we look at extreme examples? North Korea is a very dangerous country after all. We cant just ignore them. I'm not saying we should add a larger military budget but we definitely shouldn't lower it. We need the equipment we have to protect ourselfs from countries like North Korea who want to destroy us! Also Bernie Sanders may say that but so did Obama and look what hes done. Raising the minimum wage wont boost the economy it will just cause inflation. Also it is his choice but it still to a lot of people a bad choice. Also the abortion was an example of how just because some people think something is totally except able (like bernie's hair) doesn't mean it is right
Phobyoe

Pro

It is also a known fact that even at an elder, you can have just as strong of bones as someone twenty, or thirty years younger. If Franklin D. Roosevelt can hide his disability, so can Sanders in the same manner. Sanders was born to a working class family that worked hard to get anything done, they could not afford to send Sanders at a young age to college, unlike Elizabeth Warren who was a Harvard Professor, but Sanders was still able to work his way up and do the most he can in the little time he had to work his way to the top. Also as a mayor he did everything in his power to help his people. The funds taken away from the military does not mean that it will take away from all things, in fact he specifically states that the majority of the money will be going to protecting our country not sending more Americans away to horrible places. There is also no sign that increasing minimum wage will affect us positively or negatively, but it seems to be working for Australia, whom aren't having poverty problems and their minimum wage is $19. Tying in another topic as important to life, and comparing it to hair really makes sense?
Debate Round No. 4
GetRektM8

Con

So you're saying a 74 year old man (75 if he were elected president) has bones as strong as someone who is in their 30s? That for the most part is wrong. It is possible but very unlikely. There is now way that he can hide his disability as easily as FDR did. This is not the 1930s this is 2015. We have YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and tons of other sites where people share pictures and videos. There are 1000s of sites dedicated to leaking information. It would get out there very quickly. It could not be hidden "in the same manner." So what if Elizabeth Warren was a college professor? She didnt attend Harvard as a student. She attended the University of Houston. Then later on she attended Rutgers School of Law. She was actually the first to graduate college in her family. Where as Bernie sanders went to college at University of College and Brooklyn college. Bernie sanders college was actually more expensive than Elizabeth Warrens. If we do cut the military fund and stop sending our troops to other countries that would be terrible for many reasons. We are fighting to protect civilians all over the world from there governments who are trying to kill them but I guess you're right we should just pull out of there and let countless people who have no possible way to defend themselves die just because we want more money. Maybe we should let ISIS run rampant through the middle east destroying historical sites, kidnapping people, and killing thousands of innocent men women and children. Also Australia does not have there minimum wage at $19 an hour. They use a different currency than we do. The value of there currency is different than ours. Also Australia has 14% of their nation in poverty. So they do indeed have a problem in poverty. It may not be as bad as ours at 15% but its absurd to say that have no problem. Also if we raise minimum raise companies will have to pay their employees more money. Where will they get this extra money? They will raise the prices of their products to obtain the money to pay their employees causing inflation. Also people make a living off of working with hair which gets them money so they can buy food to survive. So it is pretty important! It creates jobs so we have less people in poverty! So yes I would compare it to life.
Phobyoe

Pro

He has been keeping in shape and keeping a good diet, to help with good bone structure. Also the possibility of him breaking any of his bones are slim to none. Many pictures could be taken of him in a wheel chair, but a man who stayed in shape by walking could work out his arms making him buff and not weak looking. Sanders did go to a more expensive college which he worked hard to get into unlike Warren who had a husband to support her with the money he made. Sanders was also very active in college in civil rights movements, congress of racial equality and student of nonviolent coordinating committee.
So your saying that we should put the funds which you said we shouldn't add to, towards helping other countries and not leave enough money for our own defenses from North Korea, which Sanders wants to change to help our country from attacks on our country? Maybe we should let North Korea run rampant through America killing millions of innocent Americans. Also that $19, notice the US dollar sign, is in US dollars. Plus the Australians poverty was at 14% in 2014 but since the new minimum wage, before this $19 minimum wage, it was at a 18% in 2012, dropping dramatically in just two years. There is no evidence supporting that inflation is caused by minimum wage raises. I have no idea if Sanders gets a haircut, but even if he doesn't it doesn't affect the economy, at all. One person getting a haircut does not put food on the table, but more money from increased minimum wage does.
Debate Round No. 5
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