Best Live Action Batmam
Debate Rounds (3)
As Pro, I choose Ben Affleck
1st round- Only type I accept and the actor you chose
2nd round- Debate
3rd round- Rebuttal and conclusion
Can't wait for round 2, when the real action starts!
set the mood off was how he would occasionally throw in cheesy one-liners that would really tip the scary persona of Batman off the edge. Now I know this is on the costume designers but Keaton moving his whole body just to take a look behind him looked absolutely ridiculous.Maybe if Keaton were to do it slowly and throw some intensity in his movements, the silly turns would look slightly less ridiculous. Ben Affleck kept all his movements smooth and intimidating. When Keaton was Batman, he was a bit naive and kind even while Ben Affleck maintained a stern, aggresive and serious look just like in the comics, The looks Batman gave to his empty suit and Robin's suit spoke a thousand words. Even the way Affleck's Batman fought seemed so aggresive and deadly, drawing inspiration from the fight sequences from the wildly popular Arkham video games. The fact that Zack Snyder gave Affleck the same Power Suit from the Dark Knight Returns graphic novel was not just awesome but the suit itself looked fantastic and on-point. Even without the suit Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne is just like how he looks in the comics. We should also keep in mind that Ben Affleck put more dedication into his character then Michael Keaton did. Batfleck definitely had the best body shape when it comes to every Batman actor. Michael Keaton as I said had great Batman but his Bruce Wayne felt a little too be stale while Affleck easily pulled of an excellent Bruce Wayne and Batman. While Keaton did show some detective skills, Affleck made Sherlock Holmes blush when he went undercover at Lex Luthor's party and following dangerous leads. No doubt Affleck showed best, the dark, broody and tortured pyschology that Batman fans know him best by while Michael Keaton kept it a bit to family frienly. The extended version of BvS even further prove all my points by adding scenes where Ben Affleck was pretty much absorbed into his character. The grief, guilt and rage Batfleck showed was absolutely legendary. One of the best Batman fans out there, Kevin Smith even credits Ben Affleck as the best Batman.
Link to Smith's words on Batfleck:-
Generally, Batman is supposed to be a dark, almost antiheroish kind of character. But Batman v Superman took it too far. I didn't like how Batfleck killed. Of course, I didn't mind the killing in the dream sequence, but in the other parts of the movie, I didn't like the fact that he killed. Maybe this isn't Affleck's fault, I'm sure Synder and the execs at Warner Bros. have most if not all of the blame, but still, I wish this Batman wasn't a murderer. To me, that's just not Batman. And yes, I know Keaton's Batman killed too, but for him, it just seemed different. I'm at a loss for words as to how, but it just was.
However, I admit a lot of what you said was true, especially the part about him starring at Robin's old suit. That scene was just gold. But still, to me, it was never truly Batman; just too violent. I felt like Keaton's Batman really encapsulated the classic Batman, the vigilante who tries to avoid killing if he can help it, like the Batman from the DC Animated Universe.
And by the way, I read what Kevin Smith had to say on Batfleck, and he said that the script he was writing for his solo Batman movie might get an Oscar (or at least a nomination), not his performance. And I greatly doubt this; not because I don't have faith in Ben Affleck's writing or directing, but because the Academy rarely recognizes superhero movies, or action movies in general. Heck, even the Dark Knight didn't get best picture or best writing.
As for Smith, yes he said the script was Oscar-worthy but what also counts is how the script is delivered, Affleck delivered amazingly. Keaton before BvS was who i thought of when someone said Batman but know I hear Affleck. Great debate though
And I feel that Kevin Smith's points are irrelevant. This is a debate on who was the best Batman, not the best Batman writer/director. I applaud Affleck for going triple duty, but I only judge him by his acting, which he was great at, but not like Keaton.
Thanks for this debate. This was fun.
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