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ADreamOfLiberty
Con (against)
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The Contender
Kumquatodor
Pro (for)
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Bestiality should be illegal

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ADreamOfLiberty
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/23/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ADreamOfLiberty

Con

Many people have complained about the restrictive nature of my previous arguments for the proper legality of bestiality. Said restrictions were necessary to make a positive case since in reality the default is that something should be legal and acceptable until proven otherwise.

This debate is a chance for those who think they can make the case from scratch. No moral or legal standard is given, pro will have to present their own and support it.

BoP is on Pro to show that bestiality should be illegal, this will certainly include giving the general reasons anything should be illegal, and supporting that rule/principle against all challenges I make. No need for other debates, no room to complain about unfair preconditions.

First round is for Pros first argument, Pro types only "end" in his/her last round.

I lied, I will include one set of restrictions, the definitions section:

(D) Definitions

(D.1) Bestiality – the practice of interspecies sex specifically involving humans as one of the species.

(D.2) Zoophilia – the sexual orientation which describes a permanent sexual attraction towards animals by humans.

(D.3) Rape – the forcing of sexual intercourse onto an organism capable of intelligent self-determination without their consent. NOTE consent as defined below.

(D.4) Pain – the discomfort of an organism, established by some objective observation of behavior or biology.

(D.5) Biological Damage – the objectively observable harm that that impairs the value, usefulness, or normal function of some organ or tissue in an organism.

(D.6) Consentand this is important, is defined as “permission for something to happen or agreement to do something” http://oxforddictionaries.com... .

Kumquatodor

Pro

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
ADreamOfLiberty

Con

Well we just went from a four round debate to a three round. The first round for you was not just acceptance you were supposed to make your case. You can use round two for that. If you are wondering what case you're supposed to be making ask about it in comments or PM.
Kumquatodor

Pro

I feel very sorry (and stupid) for screwing this up.
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All sexual-relations/mariage should be legal between consenting adults. However, animals cannot consent, are not easily definable "adults", and any pregnancy would be catastrophic.

The above is the crux of my argument.

Consent
Even if animals can "consent", they can only consent like an 8-year-old can; they have no human sentience.
Adulthood
When do animals reach the age of reason? At one point does a foal become a mare?
Pregnancy
Now, every human does not have to be responsible with their own pregnancy. An animal, however, cannot comprehend that they may damage their "systems" or even (in certain animals) have a genetically disabled... thing.

Forcing an animal, who is incapable of comprehending the consequences of its actions, to go through organ damage, or even pregnancy, is animal abuse.
Debate Round No. 2
ADreamOfLiberty

Con

"I feel very sorry (and stupid) for screwing this up."

It's all good, I have a feeling this site's structure serves only to validate a sense of propriety that is in fact totally hollow in any case.

"All sexual-relations/mariage should be legal between consenting adults. However, animals cannot consent, are not easily definable 'adults', and any pregnancy would be catastrophic."

You realize that this implies that humanity is the only species that should exist? Since it would mean that humanity is the only species that should be allowed to reproduce.

Could you please support this standard? Why should all legal sexual relations be between consenting adults? (where adult paradoxically means adult human and consent means consent with information only available to adult humans)

"Even if animals can "consent", they can only consent like an 8-year-old can; they have no human sentience."

And?

"When do animals reach the age of reason?"

They don't reach an age of reason, and neither do humans. The faculty is learned by humans (and possibly animals) and can be displayed by the very young.

"At one point does a foal become a mare?"

Ask a stallion... or a horse breeder.

"Forcing an animal, who is incapable of comprehending the consequences of its actions, to go through organ damage, or even pregnancy, is animal abuse."

1. Force is not necessary.

2. Animals are incapable of comprehending all that humans can in any case.

3. Organ damage is unnecessary.

4. Pregnancy is extremely unlikely even with our closest cousins.

5. Why should animal abuse be illegal?

Kumquatodor

Pro

Wow... Conceded!
Debate Round No. 3
ADreamOfLiberty

Con

ADreamOfLiberty forfeited this round.
Kumquatodor

Pro

Kumquatodor forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Kumquatodor

Pro

Kumquatodor forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by ADreamOfLiberty 3 years ago
ADreamOfLiberty
"Wow. That was easy XD."

Yea not sure what to do now. It's ironic that those who maintain I am hopelessly wrong won't argue and then people who obviously don't have much to say against it accept the debates...
Posted by kbub 3 years ago
kbub
Wow. That was easy XD.
Posted by ADreamOfLiberty 3 years ago
ADreamOfLiberty
"If anyone actually likes bestiality then they need to get some damn counseling."
Care to give it a shot?
Posted by btwinch 3 years ago
btwinch
If anyone actually likes bestiality then they need to get some damn counseling.
Posted by Double_R 3 years ago
Double_R
This debate again? Really?
Posted by Joseangelfrias 3 years ago
Joseangelfrias
youre totally right on that
cows dont understand a marriage contract just like homosexuals don't understand what a marriage is
the union of a male and female as husband and wife but in some states they can do that already, why?
because they have the the freedom to pursuit happiness, because they feel love for each other.
if you cant judge a homosexual why judge someone who loves an animal, i mean you have to be even with everyone, it may seem weird to you to love an animal as you would love your gf/bf, well i do too but i see homosexuality weird too and so it was to everyone else long time ago. now like the homosexuals are starting to be accepted by society when it was a radical idea long time ago, bestiality seems radical to you now maybe it wont in many decades because people are just that sick
Posted by ADreamOfLiberty 3 years ago
ADreamOfLiberty
"Homosexuals apparently don't understand a marriage contract they had to brainwash everyone into making it acceptable"
Contracts are between the parties that sign them, you don't need to get anyone else to accept them. If you do you're looking at proof that what you want is not a contract.
Posted by Joseangelfrias 3 years ago
Joseangelfrias
@ADreamOfLiberty
Posted by Joseangelfrias 3 years ago
Joseangelfrias
Last time I checked two men can't have children either, nor 2 females

Homosexuals apparently don't understand a marriage contract they had to brainwash everyone into making it acceptable

Sorry for bursting your bubble maybe next time you'll understand satire
Posted by ADreamOfLiberty 3 years ago
ADreamOfLiberty
"If gays can marry and let them have the freedom to do as they wish because they feel love for each other, why cant i marry a cow if I love her and have the freedom to have a family and love one another."

Cow can't understand marriage contract, and you can't have kids with one either. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Vote Placed by Logical-Master 3 years ago
Logical-Master
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