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ehall20
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emilyskates72
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Beyonce is the greatest performer of all time

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emilyskates72
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/5/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ehall20

Pro

Beyonce is the greatest performer of all time, there are performers who can sing and dance ie michael jackson however he lacked the overall voice that beyonce has and he needed alot of smoke and mirros and shiny costumes beyonce doesn't need anything except a mic and a light she is the greatest of all time no one born on this earth can put on a show like her im open for debate
emilyskates72

Con

Beyonce is not the greatest performer of all time. Before I begin, I will counter argue pro.

"beyonce doesn't need anything except a mic and a light" -Just because Beyonce can sing in some people's opinions, that doesn't make her the greatest performer of all time. A lot of people have good voices, so are they also the greatest of all time? No.

"there are performers who can sing and dance ie michael jackson however he lacked the overall voice that beyonce has and he needed alot of smoke and mirros and shiny costumes" -Michael Jackson's costumes add to his performance. He does not "NEED" them to put on a good show, they just make his shows more entertaining. Plus, Michael Jackson has had much more success than Beyonce. He holds the record for the most singles off one album which topped charts.

Also, you did not define, so I will provide defintions:
"Performer"- any musician, including the Great composers like Mozart.
"All time"- ALL TIME. From when music began, to now.


Now, onto my arguments.

First of all, Beyonce has a good voice, but this does not make her the greatest performer of all time. To earn this title, you need to bring a little more to the stage than a good voice. You need to revolutionise music, and be remembered for your music. Beyonce sings pop, but she did not start it. What about the Sex Pistols, who began the punk era? Or (going back in time) Beethoven and other great composers, who wrote music used everywhere today? Beyonce doesn't even compete with them.

Secondly, Beyonce isn't that popular in the music industry. Her records don't have anywhere near as many sales as other true great performers. The population needs to almost worship her, and at the moment, she doesn't really have a MASSIVE following. Many more fan clubs are devoted to Katy Perry, P!nk, and other modern music heroes. People even make T shirts with Taylor Swift on them. Beyonce doesn't have a big enough fan base to be the greatest.

Finally, we're talking about ALL TIME here. Beyonce probably won't be remebered in about 10 years time. Music trends pass as quickly as fashion trends, and to be remembered, you have to be completely unique. Beyonce is not completely unique, but just another pop singer, and while she does have a bit of talent, she is not the best.

Beyonce is certainly not the greatest performer of all time.


Debate Round No. 1
ehall20

Pro

I thank my opponent for a strong argument however i will provide comparison of some of the greatest performers.

before i begin id like to thank you for you opinion. Now there are many performers that have graced stages past and present but if your talking about an artists who is the greatest than you have to not only compare then to everyone who's known in public record who was a performer but you must look at the definition and dynamics of a performer. This is an argument of her talent and being the greatest PERFORMER of all time not how many record sales she has that is irrelevant and has nothing to do with her talent even tho she has broken over 250 world records in music has more awards than Michael Jackson as well.

In your argument you defined a performer let revisit that statement

Performer- Someone who can portray a role or demonstrate a skill before an audience.
Best-most productive of good offering or producing the greatest advantage, utility, or satisfaction.

beyonce's vocal ability and stamina versatility makes her the "Best Performer"

nobody has displayed the ability to perform a full out dance number while hitting e5,c5,ebf (which are difficult notes to sustain while not moving let alone dancing) notes throughout the entire song without being off key once while maintaining eye contact with the audience also while continuously performing. id like to counter your statement of -Michael Jackson's costumes add to his performance. He does not "NEED" them to put on a good show, they just make his shows more entertaining- using the aid of costumes and props is needed when you alone cannot sustain a performance which there is nothing wrong with however beyonce does not need all of those thing to entertain if her television special a mic and a light where she had nothing except a orchestra and a microphone and entertained a large crowd.( also the dvd was a number 1 selling performance dvd by the way) now lets break why she is the best, we will do this in sections starting by comparison to just three performers who were known as "the greats"

COMPARISON OF GREAT PERFORMERS

MICHAEL JACKSON< BEYONCE
Michael Jackson was one of the greatest performers of all time his gritty yet smooth voice his incredible dance technique and his for lack of a better term swagger made him a icon however Michael Jackson lip sang most of his performances he could not sustain his voice while he dances and was constantly out of breath where beyonce could sing very difficult notes while dancing with ease there was a performance of her song greenlight in which she was jumping up and down continuously while effortlessly singing c5 notes which are hard notes to sing also when performing Michael would occasionally take a break meaning he would stop singing and dancing periodically just walking back and fourth across the stage to conserve energy where as beyonce continuously performs throughout her entire segment without stopping even tho she cannot dance as well as Michael Jackson she dances with voracity while ing at the top of her range with ease where as michael jackson depended on dancing solely even during slow songs. beyonce can belt out a beautiful slow song as transition into a dance song with ease and grace.

ELVIS PRESELY
Elvis was a great performer his costumes and signature moves made him a legend but compared to beyonce hes ameture at best, elvis needed gimmick at costumes to make an enjoyable performance beyonce uses raw talent and nothing else. her voices is more powerful than elvis's and her dancing abiliy is better the strength in her voice alone make her a better performer than elvis also her versatility with her voice and dancing makes her more enjoyable to watch than elvis.

PRINCE
Prince's radical performances and daring voice and stage presence and guitar ability makes him a true contender however prince doesn't have the powerhouse voice and versatility again we vist the term gimmick which means a unique exaggerated features or behavior to demand attention. as great and talented as prince is he needed to be radical to command a stage beyonce need again only her raw talent. even though beyonce doesn't play and instrument she has proven her voice and pin point stage presence is the only instrument she need, beyonce performed princes song beautiful ones so well that prince was notedly jealous of the singers performance so much so he didn't allow beyonce to put the performance on her dvd even tho other singers have performed the song.

if youd like to continue the argument i will provide fact of science to prove why she is the greatest performer of all time
emilyskates72

Con

Thank you pro for another argument, however some of these arguments are invalid.

First of all, in your defintion, you defined performer as "someone who can portray a role or demonstrate a skill before an audience". This defintion really opens up the debate, because we're not just talking about singing now, are we? I would like you to clarify skill, because if it means literally any skill, then we'd be talking about acrobatics, tightrope walking, standing on your head and eating ice cream, anything.

nobody has displayed the ability to perform a full out dance number while hitting e5,c5,ebf: Wrong. Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilara, Delta Goodrem and countless opera singers can (and have) all achieve(d) this. So are they also the greatest performers of all time, just because they can hit e5, c5 and ebf while dancing? This argument is clearly invalid. And capital letters would be nice too.

beyonce's vocal ability and stamina versatility makes her the "Best Performer": This argument is incredibly opinionated. Many people don't like Beyonce's voice. Also, loads of singers have matched and passed Beyonce's level of vocal ability and stamina. To win this debate, you basically have to prove that Beyonce is better than every performer of all time, which she isn't.

using the aid of costumes and props is needed when you alone cannot sustain a performance: I doubt that Michael Jackson would be remembered the way he's remembered today if he could not sustain a performance. Besides, costumes and lights don't change your voice, or make you dance any better. If Michael Jackson could not sing or dance, then people won't come to his performances, no matter what clothes he wears. Anyway, why are you so focused on saying why Michael Jackson is no good, when you should be arguing that Beyonce is the greatest?

also the dvd was a number 1 selling performance dvd by the way: Wrong. Again. On all the lists of "best selling concert dvd's, not one even mentioned Beyonce. They all included the greats, like Queen, Coldplay, Foo Fighters, Rolling Stones, Taylor Swift, and funnily enough, Michael Jackson was on there (so he obviously can sustain a performance).

beyonce continuously performs throughout her entire segment without stopping while ing at the top of her range with ease beyonce can belt out a beautiful slow song as transition into a dance song with ease and grace: There are many singers who can match and go further than what Beyonce can do. So what makes Beyonce so much better and more unique than the other pop stars who can easily match Beyonce? Nothing. Beyonce is just another pop singer.

elvis needed gimmick at costumes to make an enjoyable performance: Have you even seen one of Elvis's performances?! He is a music legend. He did not need costumes and lights. If he truly needed costumes, then he wouldn't be half as famous as he is today. His costumes added to the entertainment value of his performances!

Michael Jackson lip sang most of his performances: Yes this is true, but Beyonce even admitted to lip syncing the National Anthem on US Inauguration Day. Also Michael J didn't lip sync the performances he could not sustain, but the ones which were so enertaining and energetic he could not possibly sing over.


Also, in all of your arguments, you simply compared Beyonce to a mere few musicians without giving any factual evidence that Beyonce is the better performer. What makes Beyonce so much better than all the other singers who only need their "raw talent"? Beyonce can't even play an instrument, or write her own songs!

Furthermore, Beyonce's songs (which she doesn't even write herself), are no better than any other pop music you hear on the radio. What's so special about a young adult running around the stage going "all the single ladies, all the single ladies"? It's no different to any other repetitive pop song.

Beyonce just isn't the greatest pop singer of all time.





Debate Round No. 2
ehall20

Pro




Notice her performance notice the verocity and vocal ability displayed no lips singing nothing extra just raw talent im comparing beyonce to the great performers that are on record and none have achieved what beyonce has achieved ability wise either can can sing but not dance or have any stage presence ie mariah carey christina aguilera or can dance but cannot sing ie janet jackson ciara or they can sing and dance but no stamina ie michael jackson

what defines the greatest performer: someone who has all the exceptional skills who ha no equal that means everything they do well and then some not they can sing and dance but no stage presence,,they can sing but can captivate and audience and do nothin but stand there because after a while no matter who great your voice is the show will gett boring,,and also not someone who can only dance but has no voice beyonce is the total package and as far as her concert dvds please read below and gag



I am world tour dvd #1 one of the highest selling music dvds of all time and hightest selling music dvd in THE WORLD
http://en.wikipedia.org...



live at roseland#1 2nd highest selling dvd of 2011 not in just the dvd charts but music video charts
http://en.wikipedia.org...




I am yours whynn lass vesgas#1

http://en.wikipedia.org...


Beyonce Experience#1 on of the highest selling music dvds of all time 3x platinum


i rest my case
emilyskates72

Con

Thank you again pro for another argument.

However, you did not counter argue any my previous arguments. Although, I will still rebut yours.

no lips singing nothing extra just raw talent: Well, if there were no lips singing then it would be a dance concert, and quite a boring one at that. Assuming you mean "lip SYNCING", then in my defence I'd have to say that probably about 1 in 1000000 stars actually do lip sync. So Beyonce is really no more special than any of them.

either can can sing but not dance or have any stage presence ie mariah carey christina aguilera: Before I recall you saying that dancing is used in unsustainable performances, yet now you're saying that the stars who don't dance are bad. Also, these stars have been trained professionally to have good stage presence, and they do.

or they can sing and dance but no stamina ie michael jackson: Here it is again. The old Michael Jackson talk. Michael Jackson passes Beyonce's stamina with ease. He can clearly dance and sing, as you pointed out yourself, and has been performing since an extremely young age. He has been up on stage and recording albums for an amizingly long time, requiring incredible stamina. Also, you said he can dance, yet has no stamina, but dancing requires a lot of endurance. He even invents his own dance moves!

someone who has all the exceptional skills who ha no equal that means everything they do well and then some not they can sing and dance but no stage presence,,they can sing but can captivate and audience and do nothin but stand there because after a while no matter who great your voice is the show will gett boring,,and also not someone who can only dance but has no voice beyonce is the total package and as far as her concert dvds please read below and gag: I'm trying my very best to suss out the meaning in this paragraph of no punctuation, but I think what you're trying to say is that no other performer on Earth can sing, have stage presence and stamina all at once, except for Beyonce. This is a rididculous statement. There are 5 000 000 singers out there, and yet you're trying to tell me that Beyonce is the only one who has stamina, stage presence, and a voice? You could go to a kareoke, or watch a gig at a restaurant and see someone who has a good voice, stamina, and stage presence!

Also, ever heard of punctuation? You should really use it sometime. Because at the moment, your atrocious spelling and incorrect grammar makes your arguments unreadable and meaningless to me. But maybe that's your strategy; to make your arguments so unreadable that no one can rebut them.


To sum up my arguments, Beyonce does not bring anything new and innovative to the music indeustry. She is just another samey pop singer.

Also, she won't be remembered in a few years time.

Plus, she does not have a very big fanbase.


In conclusion, Beyonce is not the greatest performer of all time, for all my reasons stated. In a few years, just you wait. No one will remember her. Thank you pro for an inetersting debate, and I hope to debate you again soon. And remember:


VOTE CON





Here are the sources I used for the entire debate.

http://www.google.com.au...

http://noisey.vice.com...-

http://www.spin.com...

http://answers.yahoo.com...


Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by serp888 3 years ago
serp888
This is a dumb debate, and pro will lose hopelessly. Pro has to prove that every performer in existence is worse than beyonce. Pro has not defined category, or defined greatest either.
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