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Biblical Contradictions

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/12/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TransparentAna

Pro

The Christian Bible is ridden with an abundance of contradictions. This also can be considered as viable proof to the belief that the material of the Bible cannot be a "perfect" source to the truth, history, and spiritual guidance. These contradictions are obvious, proving that the Bible for the most part is an ancient work of fiction.
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Con

1. Most of the Bible was written pre-Christian:
Believers in Christ were first called Christian in the Book of Acts. Therefore this debate has two parts-
a. The 'contradictions' before Antioch
Example: 1 Chronicles 21:1 and 2 Samuel 24:1
In the 1 Chronicles verse Satan initiates the census. In the 2 Samuel verse it is the LORD who initiates the census.
b. The 'contradictions' after Antioch
'The soul that sinneth shall surely die...' (Ezekiel 18:20) was written pre-Christian. The contradiction is that Jesus of Nazareth knew no sin. He fulfilled every bit of the Law both the letter and the spirit of the Law. And yet the Law executed Jesus the same as it has every other sinner. Either Jesus had sin in His life or the Law committed the unlawful act of the taking of an innocent life.
Debate Round No. 1
TransparentAna

Pro

TransparentAna forfeited this round.
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Con

2 It is not that the Bible cannot be "perfect" as the Instigator states. It is the people who cannot be "perfect". Therefore the Law of Moses has convicted the people.

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." (Jeremiah 31:33)

Now the pre-Christian part of the Bible states that the LORD will put His law inside the people, the very people who stand convicted by the Law. If this is not a contradiction then there is no such thing as a contradiction. Let me ask you this-

a. Pre-Antioch
Are we to really expect God to write in our hearts animal sacrifice? Wanton waste is illegal. If the Mosaic system of animal sacrifice was to be enacted today it would most certainly meet with powerful opposition. Cruelty to animals is wrong. To kill animals just to fuel a fire so as to create a certain type of smell is beyond barbarism.

b. Post-Antioch
Human sacrifice is illegal. From the Christian perspective the taking of an innocent life is immoral. In order for Jesus to be convicted and executed the Law of Moses was bound to give just cause. Otherwise Jesus should have never died. But Jesus did die. So the contradiction is clear-

Either Jesus had sin in His life or the Law of Moses is immoral for the taking of an innocent life.
Debate Round No. 2
TransparentAna

Pro

TransparentAna forfeited this round.
pivot

Con

There is only one contradiction in the Bible. This contradiction cannot be solved by human means. No human being has the wisdom to bring these two concepts together-

Human sacrifice
The sinless nature of Christ
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
We have a few minutes left and so far there have been no contradictions listed by the Instigator. The Contender has given three. Maybe Brendan_Liam would care to formally debate something/anything in the 'funny' posting?
Posted by Brendan_Liam 2 years ago
Brendan_Liam
the funny thing here is that ya'll assume these contradictions are just gaps of knowledge, mistakes due to ignorance.

Not so, the contradictions are on purpose. This religion is very special, it was intentionally given outtrageously obvious contradictions-and paired with the unquestionable claim of 'written/inspired by the god. So contradictions are divine and chrsitianity leads to non-thought as any obejctive person would expect. Now why would people want to do that.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
WileyC1949,
Your last is very debatable. As I stated earlier, we could formally debate any/all of these issues. Short of that I see that TransparentAna's time is running out.
Posted by WileyC1949 2 years ago
WileyC1949
Of contradictory trivia? Sure.... the Bible says that Ishmael was 14 years old when he and his mother were driven away, but on the next page it describes him as an infant. How does that affect anything?

Even the fact of Adam and Eve being real people or not has absolutely nothing to do with the real meaning of the story. For that matter the more people concentrate on that or on a talking snake the less likely they are going to be to actually see its meaning. I used to dismiss the Adam and Eve story as a simple ancient story of creation. However once I saw the actually meaning I now consider it one of the most profound in all of literature. The entire purpose of life is there hidden behind the trivia. And how many people see support for the Big Bang, Pangea, abiogenesis and evolution in Genesis 1? It is there as plain as day but people get too caught up with 6 days of creation or trying to prove that it has been only 6,000 years since the beginning of the the universe to actually see it.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
Give us just one piece of bible trivia.
Posted by WileyC1949 2 years ago
WileyC1949
I am 100% aware of Biblical contradictions and acknowledge them. But that has to do with trivia... not the message of Scriptures. To focus on trivia means that you are not looking at the bigger picture which includes it meaning.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
Thus the 'contradictions' that TransparentAna has put forth here at this debate.
Posted by WileyC1949 2 years ago
WileyC1949
The basic tenants of any of the Christian faiths certainly are based on the teachings of Christ. In any faith however man-made beliefs become tied into it many of which are false or may be false.
Posted by pivot 2 years ago
pivot
WileyC1949,

We could debate whether or not Christianity is based solely on the words of Christ if you would be so inclined. Set one up, you take the pro position and we will see just exactly what Christianity is based on. That would be an interesting debate indeed. Just let me know if you want to do it. Thanks,

pivot
Posted by WileyC1949 2 years ago
WileyC1949
Rap, your notion is based on a misunderstanding of what the Bible is and is not. First off, just because it cannot be considered a strict history book says nothing about its spiritual guidance. In as far as the spiritual guidance the Bible was written during a span of two thousand years or more. But each part was written by people of their time and about their time. The spiritual guidance was for the people of the day in the society in which they lived at the particular times when sections of the Bible were written. As such the OT is essentially the story of one people's GROWTH in faith and understanding of God and what He desires of us. The earlier books are from a more primitive people and they contain a primitive understanding of God while the later books have a far deeper understanding. The growth that I speak about can be seen far easier if you read the books in the order in which they were written as opposed to the order in which they are included in the Bible.

In addition Christianity is based solely on the teachings of Christ in the NEW Testament. That is exactly why it is called the "NEW" testament. While some fantastic pearls can be found in the OT, essentially it is the background for the NT.
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Reasons for voting decision: Although I think Pro is absolutely correct, I have to award Con conduct because of the forfeit, and arguments because Pro failed at her bop.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. Not sure what Con is implying by human sacrifice but the sinless acts of Jesus bears no contradiction. The right question hasn't been asked.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture.