Biblically : Should We Have Full Confidence that Aborted Babies Go to Heaven?
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This is a hard debate, and I don't wanna come across as a person who wants aborted babies to go to hell, but I do want to address this growing phenomenon among Christians that aborted children go to heaven without any second thought.
I am going to try and convince the audience that we should not have full confidence that babies go to heaven.
I cannot argue that I am 100% sure that aborted babies do not go to heaven, but I can make points that would be able to show that we should not have confidence that they do.
The goal of this debate is:
For Con to convice the voters that they SHOULDN'T have FULL CONFIDENCE that aborted babies go to heaven.
For Pro to convince the voters that they SHOULD have FULL CONFIDENCE that aborted go to heaven.
1. This is a biblically foundational debate, so try and use Scripture to back your point.
2. Round 1 is acceptance for Pro.
3. Round 2 is Con's Argument and Pro's Argument + Rebuttals if Wished
4. Round 3 is Rebuttals from both sides
5. Round 4 is Rebuttals/Conclusions/Why voters should vote for your side
6. If one round is forfeited, you automatically forfeit the debate.
If you have any further questions, Pro, then ask me in your Round 1 Acceptance and I'll answer in the comments.
they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies" (Ps. 58:3). so before they are born they are not astray
I appreciate that my oppponent has taken on this very serious debate. I wish him the best of luck in this conversation that is about to go down. I am ready, also, to tackle this debate.
The Goal of this Debate :
The goal of this debate is not to convince the voters that babies automatically go to hell when aborted. I specifically laid out in the title, "Should we have CONFIDENCE that aborted babies go to heaven?"
the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust.
"we had every confidence in the staff"
The key words in the definition of confidence is "firm trust".
My goal is that we should not have a firm trust that the souls aborted babies go to heaven.
Another goal of mine is that I want to show the devastation of abortion. As Christians, if we convey that aborted children's souls go to heaven, we are:
1. Promoting to non believers that they are doing their child a favor.
2. Seemingly justifying abortion for ourselves. (Think about it. If you kill a baby before it accepts Christ and it goes to heaven, then that child doesn't have to go through life and not have the chance to deny Christ!)
This is a biblical debate, so I will be using Scripture to back my point up.
SCRIPTURES FOR MY CASE
1. Before we get started, let me define what heaven and hell are :
Heaven : A place of eternal paradise where the Trinity, angels, and believers will dwell together.
Hell : A place of eternal suffering where sinners dwell
2. In order for us to determine whether the souls of aborted babies go to heaven or hell, we must find Scripture saying what the qualifications for heaven and hell are.
Qualifications for Heaven:
Romans 10:9 - "Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Luke 13:3 - "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."
So we have two qualifications. Repentance and confessing that Jesus is Lord and believing that God raised Him from the dead.
Qualifications for Hell:
John 3:17-18 : "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
2 Thessalonians 1:9 - " ...in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."
So whoever does not know God and those who do not obey the Gospel are going to hell.
3. Determining whether a baby is sinful at conception or not...
We believe as Christians, that a human life begins at conception, so now we can go further into this debate.
So we know that Christians are born into sin, but what about at the time of conception?
Psalm 51:5 - "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
Psalm 51:5 clarifies to us that from the time we were conceived, we were full of sin. This will run together with my next argument.
WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE SOULS OF ABORTED BABIES GO TO HEAVEN :
We've established, biblically, that:
1. Only those who confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, believe that God raised him from the dead, and repent of their sins enter the kingdom of heaven (Romans 10:9, Luke 13:3).
Aborted babies have not confessed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, believed that God raised him from the dead, and repented of their sins, so therefore they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
2. Hell is a place where sinners dwell and we are sinners from the time we are conceived (Psalm 51:5).
We are sinners from the time we are conceived and hell is a place where sinners dwell, so it would be impossible for a child, biblically, to enter the kingdom of heaven.
3. Even those who "do not know God" are condemned for eternity (2 Thessalonnians 1:9).
Clearly in Scripture, even those who don't even know who God is are condemned. We do not know who God is when in the womb, so therefore, it would be impossible for an aborted babies' soul to go to heaven.
I want all voters to think about this.
You are probably angry at me for this argument because you are thinking...
Why would God send a baby to hell
when the baby has done no wrong?
Here's how I respond to that claim that makes the other side think a bit...
Why would God reward a baby with
heaven when the baby has done no
I admit that God is the only one who TRULY knows if aborted babies go to heaven, but biblically, you can not prove me wrong, which means that we should not have CONFIDENCE aborted babies go to heaven.
Good luck to my opponent!
Rightwrongs forfeited this round.
I am disappointed that my opponent has forfeited the round. I was looking forward to his response. Vote for Con in the Voting round due to lack of argument.
I must say that there is a difference between not promoting and giving reason for abortion of babies, but comforting mothers who have lost a child at a young age or something such as a miscarriage.I will say that God is a good God and a forgiving god. And has stated that the best of humankind are the children, and I doubt that a God such as ours would condemn a child before his/her chance. Then again God knows what we would have done with our lives had we lived and may judge us on that premise.
I apologize for not responding and congratulate you for a very good argument and your knowledge of scripture.
I appreciate my opponent's response.
I am going to address my opponent's response and claims :
1. Comfort mothers who have lost a child at a young age or something such as a miscarriage.
I agree 100%, but this doesn't really have to do with the debate at hand.
2. God is a good God and a forgiving God.
He is. But he also is a just God and punishes those who are sinners; he does not punish the saints (Romans 2:12, Psalm 37:38).
3. God has stated that the best of humankind are the children, and I doubt that a God such as ours would condemn a child before his/her chance.
First of all, my opponent did not cite a Bible verse for both of his claims, which makes them invalid. I do not recall a Bible verse showing God that the best of humankind are the children.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28).
God does not show favoritism to one race or one gender or one person. All of God's children are equal in God's eyes.
Second of all, I can see where you are coming from, but you have no biblical evidence to back your claim up. I have already what God does to unrepentant sinners, and you did not address that.
...Then again God knows what we would have done with our lives had we lived and may judge us on that premise.
My opponent is not sure of himself in this debate because he goes back on his claim.
Thanks for your compliment at the end of your argument.
My opponent's argument was more conversational, which I understand, but I addressed it on a debate level because this is a debate, not a conversation.
Rightwrongs forfeited this round.
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Vote Placed by dsjpk5 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro ff many times, so conduct to Con.
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