"Big Bang Theory" can possibly happen, but it is not enough to debunk God's existence
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1) Big Bang Theory claims that nothing exist, then, after an "explosion", something exist.
We need to consider that there were particles which caused that "explosion", in short, something exist, before all of this.
2) It is impossible for something to exist out of nothing
For sure, we will not be created unless the sperm and egg cell of our parents meet. The same thing, it is impossible for nothing to create something unless their is a Creator (One reason why God exist). The "nothing" there refers actually to plainly "nothing", as in non exist. So, way back, if there was nothing, how come can we exist if it is through natural scientific means?
3) God cannot be debunked through the "Big Bang Theory"
The Bible clearly says that God created us by just words. Example:
"And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning"the first day." Genesis 1:3
God is just so amazing, Someone that cannot be imagined. Who knows? With just His Word, the "Big Bang" happened?
From these point, there is a possibility that "Big Bang" and "Biblical Creation" co-relates.
There are two prevailing images westerners use to interpret the world. The first is called, by Alan Watts, the Ceramic Model. It is the idea that the universe was somehow made, as a pot out of clay. This isn't the only possibility, so it isn't rational to believe in any God with real conviction (without proof, of course). The second is the Fully-Automatic Model. This is the idea that the universe is a cesspool of particles that respond to a set of rules, and that all things occur purely by chance, rather than there being a creator.
The universe does not require a creator. Such a creator would imply that it itself was created, since "something cannot come from nothing." If you think it's possible that such a creator has existed forever, then why is it a necessary component in the genesis of the universe? Couldn't the potentiality of our universe have existed forever as well?
There is no imperial evidence that even suggests that something cannot come from nothing. Cause and effect is a law because we observe it, not the other way around. Our observation of the universe is highly subjective. For instance, we are subject to the experience of time. But if you reverse time, the phenomenon of cause and effect is still observable. For all we know, it could be just as likely for something to come from nothing as it is for something to cease to be.
This all being said, the God of the Bible is not compatible with the Big Bang Theory. The bible never said anything about God saying "let there be a singularity," and there was a singularity which expanded, and God saw that it was.. you get the point. The Bible explicitly states that God created the heavens and the Earth in one day. The Big Bang would suggest, rather glaringly, that the Earth did not form until billions and billions of years into it.
Now I'm not saying this debunks the existence of any God whatsoever; but, it does the biblical God. I have to assume that this is what you meant, since disproving the existence of any God is almost universally considered impossible, as there are many that are unfalsifiable.
From another look, we can say that while God created this in one day, the "Big Bang" occur in thousand or even billion years, which for God is one day. Let the verse above support my point.
"It is impossible for something to exist out of nothing"
Before, no particles had exist. If "Big Bang" has to say that we exist because of particles, because of this "singularity" or "explosion" because of particles, then, where will the other particles come from. So, let's go back to the very beginning, as in nothing exist, even a single particle or single atom does not exist. Without these, it is impossible for creation and for the "Big Bang" to happen. Well, if there is no God, I think, we won't exist, too.
The same thing, it is impossible for us to exist if our parents' sperm and cell does not meet.
"By chance vs by Creator"
Same points with the second argument, without even one atom, these things are impossible to exist. Only a God could create everything like this.
"God's existence vs Genesis of the universe"
God did exist in the beginning, Something that cannot be explained on how He did exist. With His plan, He created this: Universe.
We don't know if something cannot come from nothing. As I said, this is what we seem to observe in our experience, but we don't ever see nothing, do we? We have no examples of nothing. Furthermore, our experience is highly subjective. I've already brough these points up, but they seem to be ignored in your favor of the idea that "God did it all."
I also already made the point that the Big Bang did not start with "particles," and that it does not suggest that nothing came before it, or that there was no driving force behind it. You claim the bible fits this model of the universe, but it just doesn't. You are shaping the ideas in the bible and molding them around current discovered processes. The Earth did not form a thousand years after the big bang. The Bible in no way suggests that it formed billions of years after "the heavens." It was written by people who had a much more limited understanding of the universe, and this is apparent in the way it is described, e.g. the Earth is described as being suspended by a pillar. The Bible offered no understanding of the universe. People used to think the Earth was flat. Then they found out it wasn't, and thought, "of course, the Bible said it all along!" We discovered the universe is at least 14 billion years old, and now people like you are saying that the Bible doesn't contradict this, and in fact fits with it well. What if we discover that something can indeed come from nothing? Will this not shake your faith at all? My guess is that it won't, as you'll probably claim the biblical God is responsible in some way.
One example of nothing is in the very beginning before our universe and everything here exist. Maybe, we have a limited understanding towards our world, or where do we came from. I am impressed how scientists try to explain our creation, but it does not remove my faith. Because, as I had told, it is impossible to exist for something out of nothing. How can particles exist if there is nothing, as in totally nothing: No atoms, no particles, no alpha beta gamma rays and all the like.
I will give two situation:
1) If you will suspend particles, as in tiny particles, in the outer space, there is a chance that a universe can exist through natural reaction, by Physical reaction, or chemical reaction, etc. Which will end up for something, let's say a universe.
2) If you will suspend none,
How will those reaction occur?
We need variables for us to create something. Industries needs raw material to create their products. Chefs and cooks need the ingredients that will be used for their food. Of course, they will not mix something if the bowl is empty or the machines in the industry cannot process if nothing is inside it.
The same thing with the outer space, it is impossible for reactions to come without atoms. I believe that tiny particles is sufficient to make these, but who will create those? God.
Who will create something from nothing? God.
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