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RightwingHero
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JustCallMeTarzan
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Big Bang Theory

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Started: 2/14/2008 Category: Science
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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RightwingHero

Con

How can all matter came from an explosion that occurred from something that is a square centimeter. And if this is true and the universe is still expanding, how do constellations still in perfect form for thousands of years. Wouldn't they be expanding as well?
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Well there are three problems with your opening argument...

>>"How can all matter came from an explosion that occurred from something that is a square centimeter."

This is not true. We have no idea how big the mass of the universe was prior to the big bang. However, it is estimated that the mass of our sun would have been compacted to a size several miles across. Considering we have the technology to understand the physics involved up to BILLIONTHS of a second following this phase, it's not so far fetched at all.

>>"And if this is true and the universe is still expanding, how do constellations still in perfect form for thousands of years. Wouldn't they be expanding as well?"

There's the slight problem of humans only being around for thousands of years out of the almost 14 BILLION years the universe has been around. Recorded human history spans only about 6 thousand years. That's only 4 x 10^-7 percent of the time the universe has been expanding. That's 1 TEN MILLIONTH of 1 percent. Small wonder we haven't observed much change.

There are several reasons I believe the big bang model, most of which are rooted in fairly elementary astrophysics.

1. It was proved in 1924 that the universe is expanding. Elementary measurements of the red-shift in light coming from distant galaxies proves they are moving away from us. The big bang easily provides the energy for this movement of the galaxies.

2. Cosmic background radiation (CBR) provides evidence of the nature of matter immediately following the big bang. This was discovered in 1964 in Holmdel, NJ at the Bell Laboratories with their radio telescope. CBR is the radiation that escapes a group of extremely hot atoms as they begin to congeal, much as happened in the formation of matter after the big bang.

3. We can study the nature of matter as it was in the big bang inside particle accelerators. This study corresponds to what we observe in nature, giving us little doubt that the beginning of our universe was very similar to the collisions in a particle accelerator.

Just a slight overview, but three completely different arguments of why the big bang is a extraordinarily probable cosmic event.

This does beg the question however, if the big bang did not occur, what did?
Debate Round No. 1
RightwingHero

Con

RightwingHero forfeited this round.
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

This round was forfeited because my opponent has no argument against cold hard science. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Debate Round No. 2
RightwingHero

Con

RightwingHero forfeited this round.
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Well I'm devastated.... I'm not sure what to say. Con opens with some questions, and no real arguments. I provide 3 solid pieces of evidence to refute his claims (or really opinions...).

Seems pretty clear which way this went.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by C-Mach 9 years ago
C-Mach
As well as the Copenhagen interpretation.
Posted by C-Mach 9 years ago
C-Mach
Did I say Copenhagen interpretation? Well, I meant Standard Model.
Posted by Conspicuous_Conservative 9 years ago
Conspicuous_Conservative
You had no evidence the only reason why people voted for you is the fact that the other gentlemen didn't put any argument forward.
Posted by Ironduke 9 years ago
Ironduke
Yes, but your evidence consists of events that have, to our knowledge, transpired only once. Evidence is something you can recreate. You can no more do that than Christians can show you a youtube video of God creating the universe. So please, for the sake of science, do not call out "evidence", when you know you can't create that event. You are operating on an event that you believe has happened billions of years ago. And you believe in spontaneous generation. If it happened once, it could happen again, technically. Right? You must refute this. Debate me on spontaneous generation anyone. Because if you can show anyone with proof, that spontaneous Generation occurs with no outside force, then I will convert. "Cold hard science" Naturally the Universe is expanding, as it obviously is shown on screens. But other than that, show me proof. Besides, show me any evidence not pointing to evolution and the big Bang, in Secular, Curriculum(ized???) text books. YOu are working on theories, not laws, theories.
Posted by aceofelves 9 years ago
aceofelves
if the universe is in fact expanding (i believe it is), God created the universe to be expanding. This is a simple and viable answer to a complex issue.

please tell me: why in the first place was there an incredibly (if not infinitly) dense particle floating around in the matrix in which whatever non-christian scientists say the univserse is contained?
Posted by C-Mach 9 years ago
C-Mach
Thank you, Niels Bohr, for ruining modern science [with the Copenhagen interpretation], so that it becomes a religion where heretics are punished for having research that disagrees with the prevalent theory. Bravo. Bravo.
Posted by C-Mach 9 years ago
C-Mach
Although JustCallMeTarzan clearly won this debate, I disagree that the Big Bang happened, but God did not create it, either. The steady-state people were right.
Posted by inrainbows 9 years ago
inrainbows
Please sir, if you think this is a conspiracy, except my debate.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 9 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Thanks Rob - you want to help out on this one (http://www.debate.org...) ?? The side against the BB has got ample ammunition and uses it pretty well. I kind of got backed against a wall... I think he delivered a better argument, even if his thesis was overbroad.
Posted by Rob1Billion 9 years ago
Rob1Billion
you've got my vote tarzan!
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