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Biologival evolution is observable

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Started: 9/19/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Sommerville

Pro

Definition of Biological Evolution "changes in gene frequencies in populations."

Evolution is observed every day and even us humans are a part of evolution.
radz

Con

My opponent is not explicit as to what phase of biological evolution is he referring to. There are two phases in the inevitable process of biological evolution according to evolutionary scientists and these are the microevolution and macroevolution.

What my opponent has defined as evolution is really the micro-evolution phase:

Microevolution is a change in gene frequency in a population.

SOURCE

http://evolution.berkeley.edu...

My opponent presented his debate challenge on the realm of RELIGION and hence, it is assumed that he'll defend biological evolution against the teaching of Christians concerning Creation Science/ Intelligence design.

My opponent should realize that science can only explain what happens after creation not how creation took place.

Science works on induction. It can only know what it can only observe with the human senses. This is naturalistic per se. This is what we call scientific.

On the other hand, philosophy seeks to explain things on the basis of logic and reason.

Consider this classic example:

Up-to-date, there is no scientific evidence that the macro part of biological evolution exists. We do not yet have a scientifically known mechanism in biological science wherein a new gene is added into a genome. Scientists would only used a "long time" a priori knowledge plus " micro-evolution scientific mechanisms" in order to come up with this scientific hypothesis of macro-evolution.

On the other hand, the super natural explanation of creation fits every scientific data we now have.

The following are the arguments about the mechanisms of macroevolution that I had encountered with Atheists to defend macro-evolution:

Transverse induction

Gene-hopping

Retroviruses

Disruptions and copying errors in the DNA

None of it comes close into explaining new genes are added into a genome.

This article is not bias in that while it supports Evolution , it tells us that Evolution has met its waterloo:

Evolution's mutation mechanism does not explain how growth of a genome is possible. How can point mutations create new chromosomes or lengthen a strand of DNA? It is interesting to note that, in all of the selective breeding in dogs, there has been no change to the basic dog genome. All breeds of dog can still mate with one another. People have not seen any increase in dog's DNA, but have simply selected different genes from the existing dog gene pool to create the different breeds.

SOURCE:

http://science.howstuffworks.com...
Debate Round No. 1
Sommerville

Pro

First off would like to make a correction to the debate title its meant to be 'Biological'.

Secondly I will have to correct my opponent.

//My opponent is not explicit as to what phase of biological evolution is he referring to. There are two phases in the inevitable process of biological evolution according to evolutionary scientists and these are the microevolution and macroevolution. //

Sadly you don't realize both phases are changes in gene frequencies the only difference is the amount of generations until its macro evolution.
SOURCE
http://evolution.berkeley.edu...
http://biology.about.com...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

No nothing to do with religion but education, evident to the debate being categorized as Education I am not sure if my opponent is getting information from. The debate is about evolution be observable evident to the title

Opponent is wrong again if you mean Human Senses as in the system that consists of a group of sensory cell types that responds to a specific physical phenomenon, and that corresponds to a particular group of regions within the sapiens brain where the signals are received and interpreted. Well you incorrect once more that is why we have science cause we can't rely on our senses we need other sources of senses to back up our claims this is why we can now see infrared light, x ray, radiation and sonar. Science can a prove and disprove claims.

Macroevolution is evolution on a bigger scale
http://evolution.berkeley.edu...

Domestication is a good example of macro evolution.

//On the other hand, the super natural explanation of creation fits every scientific data we now have.//
Don't just state it please explain which super natural explanation of creation cause there are thousands out there and which scientific data, stop being so broad narrow it down show the evidence not just claim.

Look up Lenski's E coli experiment you will find the E coli evolved a new gene.

Most Dogs can't have fertile offspring with Gray Wolves which are the common ancestor for dogs. http://genome.cshlp.org... if you want more source for the dogs give me a shout. The variation between dog breeds is much greater than the variation between human populations (27.5% versus 5.4%). Conversely, the degree of genetic homogeneity is much greater within individual dog breeds than within distinct human populations (94.6% versus 72.5%).
Structure analysis of 85 dog breeds. Cluster results from a structure analysis of 414 dogs from 69 breeds and based on 96 microsatellite markers. Each breed was usually represented by five dogs, and all dogs were unrelated to one another at the grandparent level.

New Chromosome
Life probably started with no chromosomes early replicators would have been grab bags of metabolites, proteins, and RNA that would have simply sloppily split in two, with no real sorting. DNA and chromosomes evolved as accounting and archiving tools: they were a way to guarantee that each daughter cell in a division reliably received a copy of every gene. Also, most living things now just have one "chromosome", a loop of DNA, and perhaps a small cloud of DNA fragments. This also relates more to another theory as the theory of evolution is about changes in gene frequencies not the origins of life.

SCIENCE
The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. The only system of thought without faith.

Evolution is observable in the world today and the past.
radz

Con

radz forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Sommerville

Pro

Understanding evolution helps us solve biological problems that impact our lives. There are excellent examples of this in the field of medicine. To stay one step ahead of pathogenic diseases, researchers must understand the evolutionary patterns of disease-causing organisms. To control hereditary diseases in people, researchers study the evolutionary histories of the disease-causing genes. In these ways, a knowledge of evolution can improve the quality of human life.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu......

Why do we always look at the animalia kingdom when we talk about biological evolution as a 'Evolutionist Researcher' what i like to call my self. Talk a bit about the plantae Kingdom?

Case: In 2004 he and his colleagues collected more field mustard seeds from the same sites that Sim had visited seven years earlier. They thawed out some of the 1997 seeds and then reared both sets of plants under identical conditions. The newer plants grew to smaller sizes, produced fewer flowers, and, most dramatically, produced those flowers eight days earlier in the spring. The changing climate had, in other words, driven the field mustard plants to evolve over just a few years. "It was serendipity that we had the seeds lying around," says Weis.

Read the full story here http://e360.yale.edu......

Domestication made major changes to thousands of plants
In all the fruit trees, Pomes, Citrus Fruits, Nut Trees, Bananas, Breadfruit, Durian, Ensete, Fig, Jackfruit, Passionfruit, Barley, Oats, Rice, Rye, Sorghum, Wheat, Peseudocerals such as Sunflowers, All Legumes, All Berries, All Vegatables, Herbs and spices, Oil producing plants, Commodities (Plants grown principally for animal food or soil enrichment ), Ornamental Plants, Cotton, Flax, Jute. Pretty much every plant that we eat and use. Our diets and cultures have changed thousands of plants dramtically.

SPECIES ADAPTING TO GLOBAL WARMING
Polar bears today are thinner and less healthy than those of 20 years ago.

Many fish species are moving northward in search of cooler waters. (New adaptions to a new enviroment)

Quino checkerspot butterfly learned to lay its eggs on a new host plant.

Tawny owls (Strix aluco) can be light gray or brown, depending on the genes they inherit from their parents. As snow cover in Finland has declined since the late 1970s, the light gray owls, best camouflaged during snow, no longer have much of an advantage, and scientists have shown that brown owls are now much more common.

MICRO FRACTION OF EVIDENCE SUPPORTING EVOLUTION
Changes of evolution is culture, agriculture changing our diet dramtically, humans became physically smaller, teeth became smaller,

Lactose tolerance throughout whole life

24 identified genetic adaptions that relate to malaria resistance

CCR5 gene originated 4000years ago resistance to HIV/AIDS

East Asians mutation in the EDAR gene, thicker hair shafts, more sweat glands, teeth and smaller breasts.
Standard EDAR gene which Africans and Europeans have.

Framingham Women would be 2cm shorter, 1kg heavier

Hair Keratin gene KRTHAP1 was lost out of 10 functional type 1 Keratin gene, this can cause thinning of human body hair.

Loss of sarcomeric myosin gene MYH16 lead to smaller masticatory muscles

Loss of CASPASE12 a crysteinyl aspartate proteinase.

Segmental duplication had a role in creating new primate genes and shaping human genetic variation

Modern Humans and Neanderthals share the FOXP2 gene variant associated with brain development and speech. (Chimps have two amino acid differences in FOXP2 compared to Sapiens)

86 genes were lost in the homo lineage after separating with the common ancestor with the chimpanzees.

Evolved only in the Homo lineage, HAR1F related to brain development

Evolved only in the Homo lineage, HAR2 development of the opposable thumb

CpG dinucleotides mutate roughly 10 times more often than the average nucleotide in the genome

Common Ancestor of mtDNA types existed 140,000 " 290 000 years ago, mtMRCA is the direct matrilineal ancestor of all living humans. Other women would have lived at the same time and passed nuclear genes down but their mitochondrial lineages were lost over time.

Modern Human mtDNA has an African Origan

Y chromosome 70,000 years ago originated in Africa

Neolithic farming revolution provided enough mutations to accelerate genetic change. Infectious diseases were another consequence of the early urban populations and a new source of selection pressures. The origins of many recently adapted genes have now been traced to this period, creating effects such as regional difference in skin colour and skeletal gracility. Adaptions cause less muscle strength and more intelligence. Less aggressive human behaviours by 5000 years ago. Asaptive alleles were coming into existence at a rate about 100 times faster during the Pleistocene period.
Experts can easily determine race from skeletal evidence alone

Alongside fossil and archaeological finds, genetic studies show that the different groups of people in the world today all originated in Africa. Our species, Homo sapiens, began to evolve there about 400,000 years ago. By 150,000 years ago some African fossils show clear modern human features. Around 60,000 years ago, the first small groups of modern humans left Africa and began to disperse through Asia all the way to Australia, and also into Europe.
Mitochondrial DNA is found in tiny structures (mitochondria) in our cells that convert energy from food into a form cells can use. Passed from mother to child. Reveals information about your maternal lineage and where your mother's female ancestors may have lived.

Y chromosome DNA is contained in a sex-determining chromosome only found in the cells of men. (men only) Passed from father to son. Reveals information about your paternal lineage and where your father's male ancestors may have lived.
Nuclear DNA is packaged in 23 pairs of chromosomes in the nucleus of each human cell. One of each pair is inherited from the mother, the other from the father. Inherited from both parents. Reveals information about your ethnic ancestry and the percentage of any DNA inherited from Neanderthals or other extinct human species.

Genetic markers are specific DNA sequences whose location on the chromosome is known

Researchers compare thousands of genetic markers within a person's DNA with those of other people across the world. The similarities and differences allow scientists to reconstruct population histories and estimate where our ancestors lived at certain times in the past.

As well as providing information about ethnic ancestry, Nuclear DNA reveals episodes of interbreeding between modern humans and other human species. DNA research reveals the genetic legacy some of us have inherited from our extinct cousins, the Neanderthals. When modern humans left Africa, they interbred with Neanderthal populations. This probably occurred in western Asia, and perhaps also elsewhere. These events mean that non-African people today share around two per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals.

The studies compared the genome of a Neanderthal with those of hundreds of modern humans, both from Eurasia, where our ancestors met Neanderthals, and from sub-Saharan Africa, where there would have been no interbreeding.
However, Neanderthal DNA was also found in parts of the human genome associated with diseases such as diabetes, lupus, biliary cirrhosis and Crohn"s disease, which causes inflammation of the gut.

Domestication of animals evolved differ species
Gray wolf (Canis lupus) to Dog (Canis lupus familiaris)
Mouflon (Ovis orientalis) to a Sheep (Ovis aries)
http://en.wikipedia.org......
Look up every single species and find out how they evolved, I hope you will learn from this debate

Experiments such as
Lenski's E. Coli
Joel L. Sachs's Evolutionary-Ecological genomics of beneficial bacteria
Christina Burch Experiment http://bio.unc.edu...
Lin Chao Experiment http://biology.ucsd.edu...
Chippindale, Adam,Colgreave, Nick, Dean, Antony de Jong, Gerdien de Visser, J. Arjan G. M.Dykhuizen,DanielEbert,Dieter Elena Emlen, DougFolk, Donna G.Garland, Theodore Publications on Experimental EvolutionGibbs, Allen
Gilchrist, George W.
Gordo, Isabel
Hayes, Jack
Harrison, Jon
Huey, Ray
Joshi, Amitabh
Jyv"skyl", University of
Kassen, Rees
Kawecki, Tad
Konarzewski, Marek
Koteja, Pawel
Lenski, Rich
Lynch, Michael
Matos, Margarida
Mery, Frederic
Mueller, Larry
Network for Experimental Research on Evolution (NERE)
Nunney, Len
Oakley, Todd
Orr, Allen
Pepperell, Caitlin
Rainey, Paul [bad link]
Reznick, David
Rose, Michael
Rosenzweig, Frank
Rundle, Howard D.
Sachs, Joel L.
Sanjuan, Rafael
Schluter, Dolph
Schulenburg, Hinrich
Sniegowski, Paul D.
Stearns, Stephen C.
Tenaillon, Olivier
Teot"nio, Henrique
Top, Eva
Travisano, Mike
UCIRPEE University of California
Velicer, Gregory J.
Wahl, Lindi M.
Wichman, Holly
Zeyl, Cliff
radz

Con

radz forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
RFD part 2
I shake my head at such incompetence, I really want to print this debate out and crumble it
Don't take any more debates from now on hence, you'll just be killed again, smashed like a poor kid
Your forfeitin' is such terrible I feel like vomitin', stompin' my feet on your rude red word carpet
So just don't do it--it belongs in the Town of Wrongitin, I'll just sell your ff's to the black market
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
RFD part one
*Plays super cool rap-beat with music in the background

One debater, the one I didn't choose, didn't do absolutely anythin'
He got slayed by such laser, like a poor moose--he obviously tried everythin'
The winner is such obvious here, easily spotted as a donkey's rear
It's like the loser drank a gallon of beer, he's got a twisted unrealistic sneer

These people don't know how to respect or even wisely manage 'er time
It's always conduct point lost, the winner may taste victory but I taste lemon lime
This is happenin' so often it should be treated by the mod's as a grave crime
The commit-tors should be "rewarded" like in Brain Sludge--painted with slime

You may think your arguments are 100-percent unbeatable
Your "impressive hand of cards" an' "grand poker-face" unreadable
In reality you have such shame, even your friends think this incident unspeakable
Your tragic-horror story's so sad an' yet already set, it's un-completable

You forfeit-er, so darn blind, you wander around with a blank mind,
You can't do anything at all, an invisible mountain did you climb
If you had eyes they'd be completely raked--by you, my "great mate"
Your cookie dough of arguments is unbaked, judges gonna give you bad ranks

Please don't go and ask me for any advice, I can't be bo'ered with such li'l lice
I'd rather go eat a bowl of poisonous rice; you forfeiter can't be even be saved by Jesus Christ
You really don't fit the description "intelligent mind", compared to it you're really like a tiny mice
You may think your short rounds are "concise", oh sure they are, and you're just being nice
Posted by radz 2 years ago
radz
@djdipretoro, He means microevolution.

Check it out:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu...
Posted by djdipretoro 2 years ago
djdipretoro
Do you mean evolution as in adaption, or evolution as in descent with modification?
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