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pianodude2468
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El_Metro
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Birthright citizenship should be abolished in the USA

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pianodude2468
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/23/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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pianodude2468

Con

Round 1 is for opponent expectancy of debate.
These are what rounds are for
2) First argument
3) second argument
4) This round is virtually a cross fire
5) Final focus (why are you winning)

obs: I ask that my opponent stick to round formula.

Thanks
El_Metro

Pro

This debate should run as if we are actually in a conversation. That means no citing sources or outside arguments/statistics.

Other than that, i happily accept

PS:This is not representative of my actual views on the subject
Debate Round No. 1
pianodude2468

Con

pianodude2468 forfeited this round.
El_Metro

Pro

El_Metro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
pianodude2468

Con

pianodude2468 forfeited this round.
El_Metro

Pro

El_Metro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
pianodude2468

Con

Cons
People all over the country are debating what would happen to our country if the government did something such as pass this new law. Problems would be made for American that are pregnant, we would have to deport 11 million people costing us millions. Again not the wisest use of money when we are shove down into debt. Plus, a permanent underclass would arise"
For one, supposing we would simply send, illegal "aliens" "home" to a country the never lived in would be ethically wrong. We would have millions of children living by our governments rules, going to our schools, raised in our cities, becoming part of our culture when they finally applied for college or a job would be sent "home" to a country they"ve never lived in for them to, what? Suddenly learn a language, become a citizen, make a living in what in some cases could be a 3rd worldly country. So America"s saying this could be a reality for, lets face it, our children? If you look at other countries doing just that such as Germany aren"t doing as well as many make them out to be. Infact the immigration control center of Germany says the country spend more than half a million dollars a year deporting illegals. Statistically right now we would have to deport 11 million people costing a lot more money than that. Again not the wisest use of money when we are shove down into debt. Even worse of an idea when our entire government is shut down so we aren"t, at the time being, able to pay of any of that debt.
Additionally, to american citizens planning on having kids this law would be highly discouraging as their children would not get, 1) the recognition as an american citizen making parents worried about their future that was significantly destabilized by changing this. And 2) Their children won"t get there benefits that come to citizenship from the day they are born which is highly unfair. Yes, there could be laws put in place to stop this, but we would be foolish to pass this law uncertain of whether other laws we want will be certainly passed. Imagine how it would feel to be unequal to your parents. Anywhere children should be equivalent to there parents as americans value almost more than anything equality.
Also, a permanent underclass would be likely. Most would remain in the U.S. and become second-class non citizens with no hope of full participation in our society and little incentive to aspire to mainstream success. This tradition of class would in most cases, like education, be transferred through generations with few exceptions. Infact, they would legally be marginalized and could become undereducated. This could possibly create problems in our future as history has shown bad trends to do. In example minorities in the past such as the african american slaves or the native americans from the beginning of our country. One thing rung true to both of these parties. Both of these groups lacked a pathway to citizenship and slipped into economic and social underclass. We could be correct to suspect this will happen to these babies. This has historically led to drug abuse, bad health, crime, prejudice, .etc. We obviously would be naive to allow this to happen to large portions of our society.
Continuing efforts toward passing this law without meticulous investigation would be irresponsible. Our nation refuses to believe that our government would ignore the important issues raised in this debate. In particular this debate has focused attention on five issues that do not favor the passing of this law. The unintentional creation of a permanent underclass, the erosion of America"s tax base, creating anxiety among families with young children, deportation expenses and loss of talented workers, and a waste of legislative time and money are all key issues in this debate. Our government has done a great job in the past with creating thoughtful laws that consider all sides of an argument. America has strong senators and congress members in the house of representatives, a wise supreme court, and a decisive president that surely will make a healthy choice for Americas people.

Thank you,

Ill just post this i suppose

Next round is in essence a virtual cross fire
El_Metro

Pro

El_Metro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
pianodude2468

Con

I the con, still think that birthright citizenship should be abolished in the USA. On one hand I have pointed out many points of consideration such as a permanent under class, arrogance and fear growing in people planning on having kids. I have also provided great sources and grammar. Meanwhile, my opponent has not provided any sources or strong arguments. Decidedly, the cons side is winning.
El_Metro

Pro

El_Metro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Vote Placed by Emily77 3 years ago
Emily77
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Reasons for voting decision: Terrible debate...*sigh*