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Black Lives Matter (BLM) has been affected by "outliers", often being warped into a hate group

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Started: 9/13/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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BLM started out as a fairly admirable cause, addressing racial issues in modern times. However, over time, what the group describes as "extremist outliers" have severely warped the group's direction. The movement, while still largely peaceful, had grown hostile on many fronts on many occasions.

Outliers use the platform to rile up social unrest and promote hostile attitudes towards law enforcement, along with whites in some cases. Instances of hostility include harassment of students in university libraries, rioting following any police-involved shooting, targeting of police officers, sometimes targeting of non-blacks, etc.

While I realize this is not necessarily the majority of the group, the group nonetheless takes no actions against these outliers, in fact, it rarely even makes any effort to distance itself from these individuals. While the movement might be somewhat decentralized, there are still major figures, major media accounts, and they rarely make an effort to distance these extremists.

As a result, there are people encouraging violence, social unrest, racial violence, racial profiling, rioting, and etc. via this large platform, and the group garners attention for it, as does the extremist. Outliers have used the platform in police standoffs where they've broken the law and barricaded themselves, they've threatened violence, and carried through on threats at times, and they've harassed non-blacks on multiple occasions. I recognize the potential power for good for the group, but it has only become more and more misguided and tense. The so-called "outliers" have taken advantage of this, and hijacked the platform, in a sense.

My biggest issue is that the group seems to fall to the same sin that most of society does, but this group brings to destructive, disruptive results: The group fails to fact-check allegations and apply critical thinking before throwing their weight behind an allegation or cause. The first whisper of a police-involved shooting raises interest, and the first uninformed, false allegation of racial motivation, rather than danger motivation stirs the group into a frenzy against police. Allegations are made by one individual, and nearly nobody thinks to actually fact-check the claims made. Nobody thinks to actually check if the alleged party involved was even there, nobody thinks to check to see if a weapon was involved, instead, everyone jumps on the racism bandwagon. People cry out against a police-involved shooting, without applying the common sense and critical thinking that since the suspect shot was pointing a weapon at an officer, or creating a potential deadly situation, that the officer acted out of necessity. Instead, they accuse involved parties of racism, and go into a frenzy

In my view, if you want the stereotyping and profiling to end, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE FURTHER TO THAT STEREOTYPE! If you want people to stop viewing you as a liar, you stop lying. The same rings true for all things, admittedly on a more complex level. If you want to stop being stereotyped as a criminal, don't act like one, dress like one, talk like one, hang around with one, or take part in criminal culture. If you want to stop being stereotyped as uneducated and ignorant, stop acting like you have a fear of education, pay attention in classes, do your work, speak intelligently and intelligibly. If one wants change, they have to work for it. You can't demand change, and expect it to happen if you do no work, you have work for it.

If a group truly wants to address racial tension here and now, it needs to focus on non-violent, productive methods. Rioting does nothing but further stereotypes, harassing non-whites only portrays the group as racist, hostile attitudes towards law enforcement only furthers stereotypes and increases the unwillingness of law enforcement to change and work with the group.


Since you failed to define the term 'hate group', I will do so.

Hate group - an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards member of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society.(1)

I did not accept this challenge to argue that BLM is not a hate group; I believe that BLM has always been a hate group. Black Lives Matter was founded on July 13, 2013.(2) However, Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act of 1871 protects makes it "unlawful for anyone acting under the authority of state law to deprive another person of his or her rights under the Constitution or federal law". Some popular claims brought against police officers are false arrest, malicious prosecution, excessive force, and failure to intervene. (3) Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that police officers do not and did not discriminate against people of color when the movement was founded.

BLM was created as a response to "the anti-Black racism that permeates our society and also, unfortunately, our movements". The founder noted one specific event, the killing of Trayvon Martin and that he was " post-humously placed on trial for his own murder and the killer, George Zimmerman, was not held accountable for the crime he committed". (2)
However, Zimmerman has claimed that he shot Trayvon in self defense and there was a fistfight before Trayvon was fatally shot, although it is unknown who threw the first punch. This is the point when it becomes hard to pull the race card. Some of Martin's texts have been released to the public, and what they show about him is damning. Apparently, he had been getting into fights, smoking weed, and talking about getting a gun with his friends. (5)

So, does BLM actually have a valid reason for existing? Well, the answer is yes, but the reason is unfortunately to blame white people for all of their problems. Members of BLM chanted "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" in celebration of the Baton Rogue shootings. This wasn't just 4 or 5 outliers. Here's a video of how many people were involved in this protest, skip to about 1 minute- Also, is a compilation of tweets from the BLM movement- If this is not a hate group, I don't know what is.

I do agree with your point that they are causing racial stereotypes. When these policemen see these savages shooting other police officers and posting things on social media like "kill the whites", they are obviously going to keep a closer watch on black people. The biggest issue with BLM is that they do not want to be peaceful. This is why they have gone about shooting police officers and doing all of the other disgraceful things they have done. Yes, I am aware that you have acknowledged that these so called "outliers" are doing these things, but it seems like you don't realize just how many of these people are doing it.

It's like BLM is TRYING to establish division of race. Why is it that every time a black person kills a white person, BLM wants to play the race card? Why is it that every time you see a police officer shot a man it is immediately assumed that there wasn't probable cause? The answer to these questions is that they want people to think that all white people and police are racists and that black people are being unfairly imprisoned and killed. That's simply wrong. Here are the facts: "In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks". Here's another one: "There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups."(6) So if BLM really wants to communicate that black lives matter, why don't they start with the black crime rate and black on black violence? Because they want to start a race war.

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Debate Round No. 1


First, I'll address an issue that's been pointed out both by the con side and by a few spectators, and clarify. I'm of the opinion that BLM is, in fact, a hate group. I poorly phrased myself, and in doing so, I've created a debate where we're taking the same stance.

I believe that BLM is solely a hate group that drives a destructive wedge through our society, pulling the "race card" for all events.

Seeing as we're of the same stance, I'm going to forfeit the debate to you, as it's my fault for being unclear.


Sorry about that. I assumed that you were trying to say that it started out good and then turned bad.

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Posted by sourcecom 1 month ago
godwinw has it completely backwards, and Snazzy is right on the money. I don't know where PRO has gotten his story from, but there is not one sliver of evidence that blm has ever been anything other than a hate group. I don't know what godwinw means when he refers blm as having been "fairly admirable, but the fact seems to be that the entire movement born in violence, is intimately connected with violence and provocation and belligerence, is chock full of haters and black militants (in the very old-school sense. Although there might be intelligent / educated people connected with the movement, they are nowhere to be seen, because the main representatives of the movement are very obviously angry and hateful people of little or no accomplishment or education.

Black lives matter is very much into exploitation of the media's and white liberal's love of the word "racism." White liberals love few things better than angry and oppressed blacks (on TV). Black lives matter knows this, and uses it to get on TV and radio. That seems to be their only actual goal.

There is no much difference between PRO and CON in this debate. Both have a very poor -- and mostly correct -- opinion of black lives matter
Posted by Zaephou 1 month ago
Well, these 'outliers' pretty much represent the whole group, because there are so many 'outliers'. The thing is with BLM, most people lash out against anyone who is not in support of the movement by presenting an appeal to emotion. 'I feel that the police officer shot the guy because he was black' and that sort of thing, instead of looking at the actual facts. While BLM addresses racial issues, they believe that anyone not in support do not care about racism, and I have seen far too many BLM supporters passing off the fact that there are more black people in prison as a racial issue.
Posted by Emmarie 1 month ago
You failed to represent your resolution, "Black Lives Matter (BLM) has been affected by "outliers", often being warped into a hate group," and instead have attacked the culture that many BLM belong to. You could have done some research about how outliers are affecting the movement but you lashed out at people for their speech style or style of clothing which have nothing to do with outliers hijacking the movement.
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