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Black Sabbath is that band that gave birth to the rock and roll sub-genre 'heavy metal'

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Started: 4/12/2014 Category: Music
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Ozzyhead

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First round is acceptance. The second is arguments, no rebuttals. This is rebuttals. Fourth is response to the rebuttals and any last words
SpeckledEagle

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Debate Round No. 1
Ozzyhead

Pro

Black Sabbath is usually credited with birthing the music Black Sabbath, that is something a lot of us can agree upon. Black Sabbath is given credit for it. This debate is about whether or not they are rightfully credited. What is heavy metal? To me, it's like blues that is distorted. But what is the meaning? According to Wikipedia, the term means the following: "Heavy metal is traditionally characterized by loud distorted guitars, emphatic rhythms, dense bass-and-drum sound, and vigorous vocals. Metal subgenres variously emphasize, alter, or omit one or more of these attributes. New York Times critic Jon Pareles writes, "In the taxonomy of popular music, heavy metal is a major subspecies of hard-rock"the breed with less syncopation, less blues, more showmanship and more brute force."[6] The typical band lineup includes a drummer, a bassist, a rhythm guitarist, a lead guitarist, and a singer, who may or may not be an instrumentalist. Keyboard instruments are sometimes used to enhance the fullness of the sound". Although Black Sabbath did not have a rhythm guitarist, which it's at that point I stop agreeing with the quote. Black Sabbath was the first band to put out any deep, dark, scary sounding music. While other bands existed at the time, with similar music, Black Sabbath was the first one to do so, even though they do not take the credit for it even to this day.
SpeckledEagle

Con

While Black Sabbath and the musicians that have played with them previously make up a large majority of the pioneers of heavy metal, to credit Black Sabbath as the group that created and birthed heavy metal would require someone to be oblivious to the musical timeline in general. Anyway, enough mudslinging, let's go into the actual debate. I will not deny that Black Sabbath deserves a tremendous quantity of credit for their contributions to heavy metal and music in general, as to do so would be factually incorrect. But they did not birth heavy metal itself, as it was slow evolution from basic roots, and other bands also played substantial roles into creating the genre. Essentially, I will attempt to show that other bands and influences were so influential that to say Black Sabbath birthed heavy metal would be overstatement.

First, we come to the timeline in events. According to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the three main pioneers of heavy metal were Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. Already, it is seen that the initial start up of the genre is credited to three different bands. Some sources go even further, adding Metallica, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Steppenwolf, The Kinks and even the Beatles and the Rolling Stones as the first "true" heavy metal band. While most of these suggestions aren't wildly supported, as Metallica and Iron Maiden came long after most of the generally recognized founders of heavy metal, it does show that the entire subgenre itself is a result of being coalesced, not the result of one band birthing it.

We also come to music itself. Music is almost always based off of an earlier concept that has just been mildly changed, kind of like evolution. And like evolution, pinpointing exactly where one link ends and another begins isn't always easy, especially as the city where Black Sabbath originates, Birmingham, was a breeding ground for subgenres of rock, of which the most famous is heavy metal.

Finally, we come to the timeline. Several songs credited as the first heavy metal song ever was released before Black Sabbath's debut album, and the band itself, came to me. One of the first examples of this is "You Really Got Me Now" by the Kinks, which was released in 1964, four years before Black Sabbath was founded. Others claim The Beatles with songs such as "Helter Skelter" and "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" as the first songs that birthed heavy metal, and they were released 1968 and 1969, the same year that Black Sabbath was founded for the former and a year before their first album in regards to the later. For another example, one can look at Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, the other two of the three bands credited largely with the creation of heavy metal. While founded in similar times, each one released their debut album before Black Sabbath did.
Debate Round No. 2
Ozzyhead

Pro

Ozzyhead forfeited this round.
SpeckledEagle

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Ozzyhead

Pro

A shame. We both forfeited the last round. I request this debate be thrown out with no victor. I apologize for such a poor performance
SpeckledEagle

Con

SpeckledEagle forfeited this round.
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