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Linkish1O2
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Hatchet
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Black holes are real

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Linkish1O2
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/17/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Linkish1O2

Pro

Due to your poll, I would like to hear you out on your theory.
Rules:
No using Wikipedia as a site source.
First round acceptance, second round starts the debate with my argument.

I also point out that this debate will use complicated theory's and hard research, this debate will have hard equations, and long words, so for those of you who don't understand, please switch to a different debate that you might understand a little better.
Hatchet

Con

First I would just like to point out the odds are in favour of your winning, due to black holes being a largely recognised theory.
Now, to my hypothesis.
I AM open to the existence of black holes, however, if E=Mc2 (for those who do not know, this equation means Energy=Mass multiplied by the speed of light squared) and there is no gravity in space, meaning that there is also no measurable mass, then a black hole exhibiting such force would be implausible - energy is first required for force, and according to Einstein's theory of special relativity (E=Mc2), there is no mass for which to be multiplied.
This would mean that a black hole is impossible. No energy means no force and no force would mean there are no black holes.
Debate Round No. 1
Linkish1O2

Pro

First I would like to thank the audience for coming here to vote on such a wonderful debate.
Ok first a black hole is anything but empty space. Rather, it is a great amount of matter packed into a very small area - think of a star ten times more massive than the Sun squeezed into a sphere approximately the diameter of New York City. The result is a gravitational field so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape.
In 1967 john wheeler ( a physicist) coined the name "black hole" mostly because from a telescope it was a large black circle that did not let light pass through, throughout the years recent technology made a 3-D image, it's a small pocket with a large dense gravitational pull, that did not let a thing go by, not even light.

How black holes are made, mostly from a large supernova, when all the atoms from a sun implode due to know oxygen it creates a small or large black hole. We have seen this process many times in space using telescopes and modern technology.

There are many pictures of black holes, and many X-ray videos as well that explain how they are made and what they are.

Any way here are a bunch of sites that prove black holes exist, I can't say much more or it would be plagiarizing.
http://science.nasa.gov...

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu...

Just found out that hawking disproved black holes with his new wild theory.
Hatchet

Con

Just because Hawking said it, does not make it true.
But let's assume your hypothesis - a great deal of matter compressed into a small pocket. First we need to look at relativity, as I have previously stated. Because of the supposedly huge gravitational pull, the black hole would implode very quickly, and, as always, would therefore explode. However the force which is expelled or perhaps created by the explosion be immediately rendered moot by E=mc", because, as we know, there is no mass, at least not relative to mass as we know it, in space. The force would immedistely dissipate or carry on forever.
Debate Round No. 2
Linkish1O2

Pro

A black hole has a finite mass, if it didnt then it would swallow the universe. But to disprove that it has to be infinitely massive, the singularity is a point where volume goes to zero, not where mass goes to infinity.
"It is a point with zero volume, but which still holds mass, due to the extreme stretching of space by gravity. The density is mass over volume, so we say that in the limit is volume to 0, the density goes to infinity, but that doesn't mean mass goes to infinity."
this proves the there is a mass and that tells us that E=MC2 is positive for a black hole to form, and implode.

http://physics.stackexchange.com...
Hatchet

Con

Hatchet forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Linkish1O2

Pro

I'm still here to thank the audience for a stupendous debate :)
Hatchet

Con

Hatchet forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by W4R 3 years ago
W4R
You guys are both aware of course, scientists and NASA actively observe black holes on a daily basis (and take high resolution pictures) and NASA has think tanks working on contingency plans for the in-case-of problem, where a rogue black hole flies through our solar system or one is unintentionally created by CERN.
Posted by SNP1 3 years ago
SNP1
Hawking did not disprove Black Holes, he just proved that our previous understanding of them was wrong... You need to look at what is actually being said by people and not take 2nd hand information.

http://www.space.com...

They are not truly "black" holes according to out new understanding, but that does not stop them from existing.
Posted by Hatchet 3 years ago
Hatchet
I would also like to thank you for hearing me out, and being a little open minded.
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