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Ridiceo
Pro (for)
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The_joker810
Con (against)

Black people are significantly less intelligent than white people due to race and genes

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Started: 11/3/2017 Category: People
Updated: 2 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Ridiceo

Pro

First round is acceptance round, accepting to the terms and rules of the debate below;

1. Burden of proof lies on any claim made by both pro and con.
2. No semantics, trolling, insults, or logical fallacies.
3. Do not accuse the other party of a fallacy without an explanation.
4. Statements starting in "In my opinion..." "Well, actually..." or "I think that..." etc. are not allowed.
5. This debate is a debate of facts and statistics, not opinions or feelings.
6. No new arguments, Introducing new sources, or accusations of burden of proof in the final round.
7. No forfeiting
8. Be respectful

I will be arguing as Pro (for) the argument that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites.
The_joker810

Con

Acceptance round
Yes, I will accept this argument and the 'terms and rules' stated in Round 1.
I will be Against the argument that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites.
Debate Round No. 1
Ridiceo

Pro

As an introduction to my first argument, I would like to specify the aspects of the claim, and the definitions surrounding it.

1. My claim is not to say that all blacks are less intelligent than whites or that black people cannot be smarter than white people.
http://www.ncme.org...
2. I will be comparing the Intelligence of black people to the intelligence of white people, in conjunction with genetics and race playing a role in their Intelligence. I will also be exploring why and how race and genetics play a role in the differences of intelligence.
3. The definition of "Race" I will be using is "A person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye color" - http://www.diffen.com...

Black people have a significantly lower IQ than White people due to genetics and race.
To prove this, I must prove that black people have a significantly lower IQ is partly due to genetics and race. (This is not to say that there are not other factors into play, it is to say that the analysis must show that race and genetics are part of the reason why Blacks are less intelligent than Whites). To start off, I will cite a study that analyzes the differences in IQ between White people and Black people (Specifically that the IQ of Black people is lower than that of White people). This study is of course the black-white test score gap, "AFRICAN AMERICANS currently score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and mathematics tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. This gap appears before children enter kindergarten (figure 1-1), and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on most standardized tests. On some tests the typical American black scores below more than 85 percent of whites.", The Black-White test gap by CHRISTOPHER JENCKS and MEREDITH PHILLIPS in 1998. This reference is to show the statistics behind the black-white test gap, which shows that American blacks test on average, lower than 75 percent of American whites. Perhaps, you might say that this has nothing to do with their race, and that this is due solely because of "oppression". It is not to say that YOU are saying this, however a portion of my claims will be based on the argument that the reason for the black-white test gap is due to racism and oppression systematic and non-systematic, socioeconomic factors, family, income, etc. and has nothing to due with race or genetics.

Factors of the test gap

Perhaps one of the biggest claims that this gap exists, is due to racism (systematic and non-systematic). These claims range from education being a disadvantage for black students in the United States, to slavery by whites causing the gap to increase, and that by each generation of newly educated black students in an environment without racism, the gap will come to a close. However, neither of these account for the entire gap. This is because it does not account for every educational institution, their policies at the time, how these policies effect black students, what portion of these effects were actually effecting the intelligence of black people, and also how slavery increased the gap 100% by its own. The reason for the test score gap has many factors, this including racism, education, etc. but those who say this leave out the genetics and race factors for many reasons such as the belief that there is no differences except for skin color between races of humans.

Genes playing a role in intelligence

Multiple studies in the past have shown the relation between your genes and your intelligence. This however, is greatly ignored, for reasons I don't know of. (Perhaps you can shed light on that?). These articles (based on scientific studies) show how genetics play a role in human intelligence directly.
http://www.sciencemag.org...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
https://www.nytimes.com...
http://ewn.co.za...

Genes for large brains are common in everywhere except Africa

In this study, Bruce Lahn presents the results, recent evolution showing changes in brain size that have taken place in many places around the world, but have not been common in Africa. To ignore these evolutionary changes while taking into account all of the reasons for the race iq gap doesn't make any sense. These changes are important to determining the intelligence gap, because it directly effects intelligence.
https://www.amren.com...

In this study, it shows that the wealthiest black children barely outperform the poorest white children. This means that family income levels also have little to do with the intelligence gap between white and black children. This leaves even more room for iq and race to be a part of the reason for the intelligence gap.
http://www.jbhe.com...

Brain size varies between races

The study below shows that brain sizes vary between races. Since brain size (AND SHAPE) correlates directly with iq (https://www.psychologytoday.com...), this means that the racial difference of brain sizes correlates directly with racial differences in IQ. Factors that Influence brain size are age, sex, body length, body mass index, alcoholism, Alzheimer changes, and cerebral atherosclerosis and race
(which is what I'm partially trying to prove here with this entire debate) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...)
http://www.sciencedirect.com...

Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study
This study looked at the IQ scores of many black or interracial children whom were adopted by advantaged white families. One finding by this study was that these black children who were adopted by advantaged white families, had very little difference in IQ than black children who were raised by their natural parents. This means that despite the black children being in a more advanced environment, their IQ had little change, and that the environment in which these black children are raised has had little impact (Not zero) in their intelligence. This also leaves more room for genetic and racial factors in determining intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org...
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8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by roadrider13 2 months ago
roadrider13
dude, your debate is racist
Posted by Stonehe4rt 2 months ago
Stonehe4rt
I think why debates like this come up is not because black people are less intelligent, however they were enslaved and mistreated for a very long time and obviously their families were not able to build any kind of wealth due to the circumstances. While many say that those days are over, just back in the 70s racism was extremely high. The minority black people in america are still feeling these affects, because it isn't race that causes a lack of intelligence. It is poverty. Their are impoverished but not by choice, but by circumstance. There is however hundreds of ways for them to escape poverty, the government is always trying to find ways to assist. However they implement policies such as a single mother with children gets more welfare. The more kids she has, the more welfare she gets. While this sounds all nice and dandy, it actually promotes the cliche of not having a dad around. The second problem with this is when the guardian is a drug addict. None of that welfare goes into the children and hence they remain in poverty. Annnd poverty breeds crime along with lack of intelligence.
Posted by canis 2 months ago
canis
The "problem" is "intelligence".. ..What is the fittest, (Darwin),..May be less "intelligent"... "intelligence = stupid / not fittest..
Posted by KostasT.1526 2 months ago
KostasT.1526
I have to admit that I was pretty sure that the instigator was either Masterful or What50. That was unexpected.
Posted by dtaylor971 2 months ago
dtaylor971
Oh this is going to be a fun one
Posted by dtaylor971 2 months ago
dtaylor971
Oh this is going to be a fun one
Posted by Longline 2 months ago
Longline
By intelligent, are you referring to western so call form of knowledge? Because If a white person moves to Black majority country that logic will change.
Posted by Longline 2 months ago
Longline
By intelligent, are you referring to western so call form of knowledge? Because If a white person moves to Black majority country that logic will change.
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