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Blaming high school drop outs, for the reason why the economy is down.

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Started: 1/17/2012 Category: Education
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DelilahRawr

Con

See, i live in Reading, PA. We were now labeled as the poorest city, in the united states, and that was all blamed on High school drop outs.
My first problem with this, Is what about the parents?
- Not every family in the District has all this money to spend.
- Most kids deal with horrible parents, who don't teach them the skills they need in life.
They go to school, un-equipped..
-Why are you blaming high school drop outs, when there are drug dealers and all that crap out there, that's making the kids become more involved in that, then making them not care.
-Instead of going straight and blaming high school drop outs, why dont you point out all the things surrounding the kids that did. All those problems, they go through.
-Most of the schools, have terrible teachers. In 9th grade, most of my friends dropped out, because of the lack of caring teachers, if even that, GOOD teachers.

If you see my point or now, all it is, is this big thing of society shouldn't be put on one thing, that has 300 things surrounded it, that should be pointed out too.
Fluer

Pro

"We were now labeled as the poorest city, in the united states, and that was all blamed on High school drop outs."
If a city has a high number of high school dropouts then they are less likely to have a population that is capable of working in jobs that expand the economy of that city. The vast majority of America is being hit by the recession but places like Reading are being hit the hardest because of the low qualifications of their population. Employers now want they best for their money and if someone is not as qualified they are less likely to get that job. From what I have read many women in their late 20's or early 30's are now trying to further their education to earn a better wage and support their families. Had they got their education at the "right time", when their brains were better suited to learning, they would be more likely to succeed in finding a better job.
"If you see my point or now, all it is, is this big thing of society shouldn't be put on one thing, that has 300 things surrounded it, that should be pointed out too."
I think you are confusing what the government/council is getting at here. High unemployment rates are the main problem the cities failing economy. The solution for that problem is to combat the areas of society that you pointed out that may increase someone's likeliness to dropout. The things you point out are what must be tackled as a solution to the problem it does not however mean that the main problem isn't the fact that many people are dropping out of school.
Debate Round No. 1
DelilahRawr

Con

That's my point, why not blame it on the parents who didnt care? or their bad financial problems.
When you are going to tell the whole media, that its high school drop outs, do you think anything around it will change?
No, they are going to continue, selling drugs, joining gangs, failing school.
Because basically all your saying is "Well, because all these kids dropped out our economy is low"
Yes, but if anyone wants ANYTHING fixed, they are going to have to tackle the things around it.
Why don't you use that as the reason, that will then show the whole city, the problem isnt only high school drop outs, its so much more... you need to encourage people, and actually show them whats wrong, what they can do to help it,
just blaming it on one thing, will do nothing.
The more people actually care about whats around the situation.
Don't just blame ONE thing, for the reason a WHOLE city is down.
If you would just, see the things around it, and tell the city that instead.
Offer help, for families and the homeless, instead of throwing it all on high school drop outs, who probably dropped out, because of the way the economy ALREADY was.
Fluer

Pro

"basically all your saying is "Well, because all these kids dropped out our economy is low""
That's what I have to prove. Blame:to hold responsible; find fault with; censure. [1] The government or rather their market analysts look at these things very 'roboticly'. They see a failing/raising economy, they search for the most culpable reason why this rise/fall has happened, they look for things that have an impact on the "reason". The Government can and is blaming the high school dropout figures as that is seen to be the most culpable reason for this failing economy. If they can decrease the dropout rate they will help the economy. The way that they increase the dropout rates is by attempting to get rid of the causes.
"Offer help, for families and the homeless, instead of throwing it all on high school drop outs"
Well, actually they do. Just one example that I found is the "Second Street Learning Center here — a day care provider for mostly low-income families". A reporter interviewed some of the mothers there to find out about their lives there and some of those that work to help the people of Reading. [2]
" Louri Williams packs cakes and pies all night for $8 an hour, takes morning classes, and picks up her children in the afternoon...
Ms. Kelleher, 23, said she had been supporting her three children as well as the father of two of them. She would not be able to survive, she said, without the $636 a month she gets in food stamps...
The Greater Berks Food Bank — Reading is the Berks County seat — is on track to distribute six million pounds of food this year, up from three and a half million pounds in 2007, said Doug Long, manager of marketing...
Modesto Fiume, president of Opportunity House, the organization that runs the day care center, as well as a homeless shelter and a transitional living facility, said the number of first-time families in the shelter was up sharply: of 23 new entries in June and July, 18 were homeless for the first time."
There is help there but the main problem is still the fact that young people are not staying on in education and are struggling to find work due to low qualifications. High school dropout rates are the biggest problem and therefore the government can put "blame" on that.

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com...
[2] http://www.nytimes.com...
Debate Round No. 2
DelilahRawr

Con

DelilahRawr forfeited this round.
Fluer

Pro

Oh well.
I'll quickly sum up my points.
1. High school drop out rates are a problem. There are many causes of this problem but it is the fact that there are less people completeing their high school education that is directly affecting the failing economy in Reading, PA. Therefore high school dropouts can be "blamed".
2. Help is being supplied by the government but it wouldn't have to be supplied if people could get into better qualified jobs due to getting there high school education at the right time.

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Posted by DelilahRawr 5 years ago
DelilahRawr
i will post my argument, tomorrow.. to late tonight,
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