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Britian is a christian culture

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Started: 4/18/2014 Category: Politics
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lucasd_j

Pro

I will argue that Britain is a Christian country. Firstly church has always had an intertwining link with state in Britain ever since the edict of Milan. Britain was largely dominated by Christianity 100's of years before the angles and Saxons had arrived and invaded before there was an England. Church attendance figures in the 60's were at 50-60 % I will admit that is a 10% decline from ww1 however it was pretty consistent and far from insignificant, those who called themselves Christian was around 85 % called themselves Christian. This 30 year sharp decline is the most insignificant dot on the sheer length and influence Christianity has had in British culture and society. In fact we have had drops of this magnitude before right before the Christian reformation in the late 1700's Wilberforce etc. church attendance was 30% which had been declining ever since the English protestant revolution. The fact is just because a significant decline within 20 years occurs it does not mean we should rip and tear up the fundamental foundations of British society and culture.
my_little_shadowfax

Con

I will be arguing that Britain is not a Christian country. My argument rests on the role of Christianity in the legal system, the constitution and lives of the citizens.
Firstly Christianity has little role in the legal system of the united kingdom although some may argue that many laws are based on Christian values these are values which should not be attributed to Christianity but rather to basic human morality. The laws which were more specifically based on Christianity have been gradually removed eg the legalization of homosexual sexual relations. Recently UK courts have actually ruled against Christianity for example it was recently ruled that Christians with traditional views on sexual ethics are unsuitable as foster carers.
Another sign we are clearly no longer a Christian country is the recent legalization of same sex marriage. Homosexuality is a sin according to the bible and although some people have protested against the legalization of same sex marriage the number of people opposing is relatively low. If Britain really were a Christian country then this would never have been allowed to happen.
Although the British public celebrate many holidays originally founded on Christian ideas these holidays have become largely secular even becoming contrary to many Christian values. Christians attempt to put "Christ back in Christmas" clearly show this. The date of Christmas was originally a pagan festival but no one considers it to be one any longer and this is also the role of Christianity in Christmas for the majority of British citizens.
The proposition will no doubt point to the 2001 and 2011 census to show that Britain is still a Christian country however the census is extremely unreliable as shown by 0.7% of the population claiming to be Jedi in the 2001 census. A more accurate measure however is the number of people who regularly attend Church. Only around 4% of people in the UK are Anglicans who attend Church regularly.
Christianity has also seen a sharp decline in the UK recently and it has only been stabilized by high levels of immigration and once the rate of immigration becomes lower the decline will continue. This recent decline is significant because the debate is over whether Britain is a Christian country currently not whether the figures will recover and it will once again be a Christian nation.
Debate Round No. 1
lucasd_j

Pro

The laws passed on gay marriage are in no way reflective of society. Firstly there was improper and a general lac of debate on this issue it was ushered into law and not at all in the manifesto. Secondly since when has mp's been an accurate representation of the will of the public take the eu and immigration e.g. if they're was a referendum there would be far more division over the issue.
Furthermore you haven't responded properly to my points, I wasn't pointing out that oh look there are still some Christians I was suggesting that this decline is just a mere dip in church attendance of which has happened granted infrequently but never the less there has been a surge of return. This twenty year dip is simply a very tiny and insignificant dot on the grand and sheer weight and influence of Christianity in British culture and society.
Let me as you this would you drop all science related degrees just because of a momentarial dip in interest.
my_little_shadowfax

Con

I would first like to remind the proposition again that how figures will change in the future or how they have changed in the past is largely irrelevant the debate is over whether Britain is a Christian country at present. Neither is the debate over whether we should remove all Christian influence from society as you seem to be suggesting.
The legalization of same sex marriage was a reflection of the public view as there has not been any large scale show of public opposition shown. Although people may disagree with it they clearly don't care as even the petition over the badger cull amassed over 300,000 signatures. If the country was still Christian then people would care far more about whether badgers were culled than the passing of laws which in their view would cause millions to suffer eternal torture.
Simply because the numbers of Christians have recovered in the past is not reason to believe that they will do so again. The situation following the reformation was completely different so that comparison is completely invalid.
You have failed to respond to my point that only 4% of adults are practicing Anglicans(meaning they regularly attend church)
You have also failed to respond to my points clearly showing that Christianity has lost all power in the legal system and some courts have even made ruling against Christianity in landmark cases.
You claimed that because Christianity has been present in Britain for a long time it makes Britain a Christian country, there have been pagan influences on British society also and paganism has been present in Britain far longer. Much of our culture is also derived from paganism and it is also responsible for iconic British landmarks such as Stonehenge however this doesn't mean that Britain is a pagan country. Paganism like Christianity is simply one of the many contributing elements which make up British culture.
Debate Round No. 2
lucasd_j

Pro

Although the past does not dictate exactly what will happen however the past is an indicator of the future which is one of the main reasons why we study history we have had dips in church attendance. In fact church attendance is at 15%, 15% attend church once every 3 weeks. Christianity has a very strong link and involment in british culture and society, In our literature, architechture music and practically every area of british life. Same sex marriage bill is in no way reflective of society there was insufficient debate and time given, it was jus rushed through parliament. If you were a British vote in the 2010 election no party had included it in their manifesto or even barely mentioned it, candidates didn't mention their religion and their were no major religious issues at the time how could they possibly vote accordingly. Christianity has doiminated british culture for 1800 years an infrequent momentarial dip shouldn't destroy it as I said before would you drop all science related degrees just because of a dip in interest. Stone henge is the only single part of our culture that is linked to paganism that you can name and is not particularly significant name one piece of literature, architecture, or political influence paganism. And as for political influence, its not like we had blasphemy laws since a couple of years ago , its not like our prime minister claims to be Christian to pander to Christian voters and speaks of his own "faith", its not like we have bishops in the house of lords or 300 mp's signed up to Christians in parliament. The fact of the matter is that Christianity has always had a heavily significant influence in British culture and society just because of a momentarial drop in church attendance why should we abandon that influence and sever our links there have been drops in attendance before in our history, granted they are infrequent however this doesn't mean that Britain is not a Christian country.
my_little_shadowfax

Con

Yes the pas can be an indicator of the future, however both the past and future role of Christianity in British society are irrelevant this debate is over whether Britain is at present a Christian nation.
I'm willing to conceded that church attendance is 15% to save time. However 15% is still extremely low, so describing Britain as a Christian country would not be representative of the wider population as by your own statistics 85% of people do not attend Church regularly.
Christianity has very little roll in current music is merely providing moral laws for musicians to exploit by rebelling against to gain attention and be seen as "edgy". It contributes very little to the current music industry save for a few unpopular Christian rappers.
Again I must repeat myself that the same sex marriage bill is reflective as if Britain was still a Christian nation there would have been outrage. There wasn't. The lastest poll made by BBC Radio in March 2014 found that 68% of the respondents agreed same-sex marriage should be permitted and 26% opposed it. The research also found that younger people were more likely to support same-sex marriage, with 80% of 18 to 34-year-olds backing it, compared with 44% of over-65s. Of those polled, women were more likely to support same-sex marriage than men, with 75% of women for it compared with 61% of men in favour.
Our architecture has been heavily influenced by many different cultures form around the world but it is insignificant. Britain should be described by the will of the people, a massive majority of 85% of people do not attend Church regularly os Britain should not be described as a Christian country regardless of how our buildings are designed.
Although Christianity has had some influence in British literature most writers openly state people who or what influenced their writings and very few say Jesus or the Bible.
Ultimately Christianity is just another factor contributing to the multiculturalism of British society. In the end comes down to the statistics and I think its clear they speak for themselves.
Debate Round No. 3
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