The Instigator
SnapDragonFizzle
Pro (for)
Winning
11 Points
The Contender
masterdrave
Con (against)
Losing
1 Points

Bruce Wayne is smarter than Tony Stark

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 2 votes the winner is...
SnapDragonFizzle
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/12/2015 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 525 times Debate No: 76502
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (6)
Votes (2)

 

SnapDragonFizzle

Pro

Hello DDO! This is my first debate on this website, and I'm very excited =)

I think that Bruce Wayne is smarter than Tony Stark. Note that we are talking about the Comics here, and not the Movie Franchises (if we go off of the movies, It's obvious who the winner is).

Burden of Proof is shared; I have to prove Bruce is smarter, my opponent has to prove Tony is smarter.

R1: Acceptance

R2: Arguments

R3: Rebuttals

R4: More Rebuttals/Conclusions
=====================================================
72 hours for each argument.

10,000 Characters.

4 Rounds.

I hope to have a fun experience!

masterdrave

Con

I accept. I will win.
Debate Round No. 1
SnapDragonFizzle

Pro

Thank you very much masterdave for accepting this debate. I look forward to having a great time.
=========================================================================
Tony and Bruce both have Genius-Level Intellect. But, while Tony didn't persue to do much with his intellect other than a few select fields, Bruce did learn a lot of things

You see, while Tony is the best in the world when it comes to Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, Hacking, Physics, Chemistry, and other Technolgical/Engineering fields, he is not very useful anywhere else. In this round, i'll be laying out a lot of facts. It may seem like i'm just rambling, but the list of Bruce's feats is just really long. It's quite impressive what he's been able to do.

Here we go:

Bruce is a brilliant detective, strategist, scientist, tactician and commander. He has one of the keenest minds in the DC Universe, and uses his brain rather than brawn to outsmart his foes.

Bruce is a Polymath (a person of wide-ranging knowledge or learning), and as such, has obtained a insane number of degrees, along with having a LOT of other feats. Here's the list [1]:

He has studied Biology, Technology, Mathematics, Physics, Mythology, Geography and History. Gained degrees in Criminal Science, Forensic Sciences, Computer Sciences, Chemistry and Engineering by the time he was 21. He has mastered Diverse Environmental Training, Security Systems, and illusion/sleight of hand by the time he was 23. He gained even more degrees in Biology, Physics, Advanced Chemistry, and Technology by the time he was 25.

He had learned Forensic Sciences, Medical Sciences, Expanded Computer and Engineering Sciences, and Expanded Device Pool use of personal powered armor and system, database creation on underworld crime bosses, rogue's gallery foes and other supervillains; improved material sciences for body armor and micro-machinery by the time he was 26. Has also learned Advanced New Development in Forensic and Medical Sciences.

He also has Eidetic Memory(meaning he has total recall, in the sense that he can remember ANYTHING that has happened in his life with great detail)

I mentioned that he was a detective earlier, but he is often considered the world's greatest detective

He is able to speak Spanish, French, Latin, German, Japanese, English, Russian, Cantonese, Mandarin, Greek, Portuguese, Arabic, Sanskrit, Hindi, Thai and even Kryptonian!!

Bruce Wayne has extensive skills and experience in business management, has thorough understanding of financial marketing and management and is often known as a example of successful industrialist and businessman on par to Lex Luthor.

============================================================================
I await my opponent's response.


[1] http://dc.wikia.com...(Bruce_Wayne)





masterdrave

Con

Stop capitalizing words that don't need to be. This is clearly the work of a cowardly amateur, who has no place amidst the big boys. You know nothing of the comics that created the legend of Batman, although you pretend to. It's just sad. Tony Stark could completely mind rape silly Wayne. The man is nothing more than a fool who dresses up like an emo and pretends he can fly. Stark is a real man. He uses real ingenuity to make his suit, and it's a suit that is not only weaponised, but gives him, a normal man, just like Bruce Wayne is, great power. Hell, even Bruce Wayne has been trained to fight, but Stark needs no training. He is evidently superior upstairs.
Just like I am with you. You are weak. I am strong. You know nothing, and are a feeble fool. Please attempt something a little more intellectual next time, instead of delivering this miscarriage of an argument.
Debate Round No. 2
SnapDragonFizzle

Pro

I would normally thank an opponent for his/her argumet, but I can't really say that I'm thankful for that last one.

What arguments has my opponent presented?? Absolutely NOTHING!! He uses ad-hominem like crazy, which is, a logical fallacy! I don't even know how to respond to an argument like this.

All he does in his "argument", if you could call it that, is state that I don't know anything about batman.

Then he says that Tony could mind rape Wane.

And then goes on to talk about how the Iron Man suit is a mechanized suit that is weaponized and can beat Batman, etc.

What does that have anything to do with how smart each of them are????

I'm not really forfeiting this debate, but I hope that the voters please understand how disrepectful my opponent has been. I don't really have a rebuttal, because there is nothing to rebut to.

He has presented no arguments, and unless he can disprove mine, then he hasn't won.

Please vote Pro.
===============================================================================
Specific sources for the arguments presented in Round 1 (Please note that their are a LOT of examples of each of these traits. It's not as if these traits have just been showcased once. They've been showcased numberous times. However, I can't realistically source every single time we can see Bruce is a good detective, how good he is with technology, etc. That's why there is one example of when we can see Bruce is good at the particular field) :

Bruce Wayne is good at:

Technology: [A LOT of examples. But this one is pretty good. He has built a sentient satellite (artifical intelligence!) known as Brother's Eye]
https://www.pinterest.com...

Engineering/Physics(I think it's pretty safe to assume that a good engineer is good at physics, mechanics, and math):
Image 1 (Was taught and trained by a brilliant old Russian engineer named Sergei):
http://s289.photobucket.com...


Image 2 (Thinking outside the box and using his tech knowledge, he combines the non-operational tech to create unique high tech power gloves to dig his way out of the closed off room):
http://s289.photobucket.com...


Mythology/History: [Hard to find a digital comic to showcase this. But in (Batman Volume 1 issue #663) Bruce finds out that the name of a speech therapist is Miss Wisakedjak, and that she graduated from the Rose Bruford School. Bruce thinks in his head, "Wisakedjak is the name of the Cree Indian trickster god. It's obviously harley Quinn." I know this is just one example. But there are others where he is able to showcase his knowledge of mythology and history.]

Criminal Science/Forensic Science/Biology: [TONS of examples can be found on this. But I like this one. Here,After finding a single hair strand from a previous crime scene he's quickly able to analyse it on the spot then point out who it belongs to out of the large pile of men in the room solving the case for the police]
Image 1: http://s289.photobucket.com...
Image 2: http://s289.photobucket.com...
Image 3: http://s289.photobucket.com...
Image 4: http://s289.photobucket.com...

[Another Example is when he is doing an autopsy. Once again showing is skills in Biology and Forensics]:

Image 1: http://s289.photobucket.com...

Image 2: http://s289.photobucket.com...

Image 3: http://s289.photobucket.com...

Computer Science: [Built a device that can quickly search through and hack a computer]
http://s289.photobucket.com...

Chemistry: [There are many examples of Batman using chemistry to make Poisons/Antidotes. This is when he made a chemical to nuetralize the venom in Bane's blood stream and turn it into toxin.]
http://s289.photobucket.com...;

Security Systems [hacking into NASA and steals all their information]
http://s289.photobucket.com...;

Illusion/sleight of hand: [He learned Magic from under the famous master magician/escapologist Zatara]
http://s289.photobucket.com...

Medical Sciences: [creates an antidote for Scare Crow's Fear Toxin]
http://s289.photobucket.com...;

How to Use powered armor: [he has used tons of powered suits before. Here is just an image of one]
https://retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com...

Database creation on underworld crime bosses: [Batman showing commisioner Gordon some of his databse]
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

Has Eidetic memory:
http://s289.photobucket.com...

World's Greatest Detective: [not really sure if I need a source on this one, because it's universally agreed upon. But here it is anyway]
http://s289.photobucket.com...

Buisness Management: [Wayne enterprises has bought out Lex Corp before. Now that requires expert buisness skills]
http://dc.wikia.com...
--------------------------------------
For the languages it's hard to find any digital comic sources online. But he really can speak many languages.

They can be confirmed because:

French for his dealings with Henri Ducard.

Spanish, since it's a second language for many and a mother tongue for at least as many in select Gotham neighborhoods.

Japanese/Nihongo, Mandarin, Cantonese, and Thai to varying degrees because of some of the martial arts instructors he engaged prior to becoming Batman. Specifically of Kirigi, Tsunetomo, Chu Chin Li, among others.

Russian from his battles with the KGBeast, NKVDemon and assorted Little Odessa organizatsiya mobs. Plus he learned from Sergei.

Two dialects of Greek(modern and Themiscyran) for dealing with Wonder Woman.

Portuguese, partly thanks to Fire during the JLI era of the League. As an intelligence operative in Brazilian service, she'd have to be fluent in both Portuguese and Spanish, at minimum, no matter what she spoke growing up in Rio.

Hebrew and Arabic, from "Legerdemain" in Suicide Squad.

Kryptonian due to tutoring from Superman

I actually did find the image of him speaking Kryptonian:

http://s289.photobucket.com...

(Conversation translated to English):

http://s289.photobucket.com...;

masterdrave

Con

masterdrave forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
SnapDragonFizzle

Pro

Well, no argument to assess. My opponent has lost because He has not presented any arguments, nor has he rebutted to my points. Vote PRO.
masterdrave

Con

masterdrave forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
6 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 6 records.
Posted by cathaystewie 1 year ago
cathaystewie
To masterdrave,

Funny you should talk about having fun. I certainly found it entertaining when you forfeited two rounds in a row even though you were evidently active on DDO during the time you were given to post your argument. Funny you should talk about cowards either, as you were oh so heroic in your decision to not offer me any explanation whatsoever as to your forfeiture as well as deleting your DDO history when I posted a comment on our debate asking for you to rejoin.

I understand that it's not exactly uncommon for users to forfeit with no reason given, but your case is particularly infuriating. It's crystal clear that you in fact have time on your hands, but instead of having the decency to use this site for its intended purpose, you choose to invest your time in doing things that benefit nobody. You take on debates that you later exit swiftly from (the Lexus debate with Proving a negative) for whatever reason, and you actually turn on Proving A Negative by calling him horrendous names even though he was the only one that actually delivered concrete arguments and did so on time and in a candid manner. As far as your debates are concerned, you use words like 'coward' and 'fool' and 'bigot' so often that it makes me wonder whether I'm still reading a DDO debate or a Call of Duty chat transcript. Just when I thought you couldn't possibly stoop any lower, you initiate a debate with the topic "You're a fool, benshine7" and actually expecting him to accept when he has done nothing but behave like any sane user should (which is pretty ironic given that you were berating Proving A Negative about him setting up a debate oriented around another user).

So please, don't waste everybody's time by doing what you do on this site. Do the world a favour, and hold up a mirror the next time you feel the urge to call someone a fool or a coward.
Posted by masterdrave 1 year ago
masterdrave
It's not the same person behind the two accounts you coward, we're just friends. Take your head out of the sand and have some fun, instead of crashing the party like a pathetic bigot.
Posted by thebomist 1 year ago
thebomist
BigIvan, I'm pretty sure that your account is controlled by the same person who has the account of masterdrave. It can't be a coincidence that you joined three days ago and then proceeded to immediately post on this exact debate. Secondly, you've got the exact kind of arrogance and lack of conduct that masterdrave has. I might be for trolling sometimes, but I seriously don't believe that rudeness is condoned. Furthermore, in your current debate, masterdrave is also supporting you in the comments with the same type of arrogance and lack of conduct. It's clear that to support yourself, you've made another account and then decided to harass more people with it. Please stop. Thank you.
Posted by thebomist 1 year ago
thebomist
BAD conduct from Con.
Posted by SnapDragonFizzle 1 year ago
SnapDragonFizzle
I apologize for the lack of sources. I just stated the DC Wiki because labeling all the sources would be a complete pain, but in round 2, I'll present all of the sources for my own arguments presented in round 1 and rebut.
Posted by Proving_a_Negative 1 year ago
Proving_a_Negative
Sources or it didn't happen :P
2 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 2 records.
Vote Placed by cathaystewie 1 year ago
cathaystewie
SnapDragonFizzlemasterdraveTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:60 
Reasons for voting decision: Con resorted to mostly personal attacks and trivial matters and gave no constructive arguments and forfeited his rounds towards the end. Pro addressed some intriguing points and abided by proper conduct. Thus I award my vote to PRO
Vote Placed by Miles_Donahue 1 year ago
Miles_Donahue
SnapDragonFizzlemasterdraveTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:51 
Reasons for voting decision: My vote hardly needs any explanation. Con was a blithering disappointment, and Pro gave some interested (unrefuted) arguments.