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Jzyehoshua
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Buddhism! :)

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Jzyehoshua
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/25/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Buddhist

Pro

Can you attack the Buddhist philosophy with the western views?

This is the question that I would like answered! :)
Jzyehoshua

Con

My argument against Buddhism consists of the following:

I. Buddhist scripture, to reliably preserve the philosophy, must be shown accurate.
II. The same standards of manuscript evidence should be applied to Buddhist scriptures as the Bible.
III. The Bible has more ancient evidence of preserved scriptures.

I argue that Buddhist philosophy, commonly claimed as more ancient than that of the Bible, when examined by the same standard of manuscript evidence as the Bible, appears poorly preserved, so that Buddhism was quite probably influenced by the Bible rather than the other way around.

Biblical Evidence

Ultimately there are 100,000 Dead Sea Scroll fragments of approximately 800-900 original scrolls dating from approximately 350 B.C. to 65 A.D. The Great Isaiah Scroll in particular was carbon dated as old as 350 B.C.[2] Some passages of the Old Testament are preserved as old as 1,000 B.C.[3] and 650 B.C.[4] The New Testament has over 24,000 manuscripts[5], some dating as early as 125 A.D. (P52), and the oldest complete version dates to 250 A.D., the Sahidic Coptic Version. As such, the entire Bible is reliably preserved by 250 A.D. at the latest.

Buddhist Scriptures

It is my understanding that the Buddhist scriptures, specifically the Pali Canon, were allegedly preserved through oral tradition for centuries, unlike the Bible which always claimed to be preserved through writing. We just recently discovered the oldest Buddhist preserved scriptures, which now total 77 documents made of birchbark dating to approximately 50 A.D.[6] The first printed copy of the Pali Canon was not made until 1893.[7] The oldest recorded evidence of Buddhism's existence whatsoever is to my understanding the Edicts of Ashoka dating 269 B.C. to 231 B.C.[8]

Conclusion

Now, given all of this, I question the common claim that Buddhism is an old religion. The Edicts of Ashoka show it is older than Christianity - barely, but the scripural evidence for it is barely older than Christianity, let alone Judaism's Old Testament. Buddhism has FAR fewer ancient manuscripts supporting it than either the New Testament or Old Testament, was allegedly preserved orally for centuries unlike the Bible which was always recorded via writing, and its most sacred and supposedly oldest scriptures were not put into print until the last few centuries.

If I am misunderstanding anything here please help me understand where I am incorrect, but it is my current understanding that the manuscript evidence showing the Bible's preservation is vastly greater than that of Buddhism, as the sea is to a puddle. As such, if any religion influenced the other's pacifism, I would argue Christianity influenced Buddhism, rather than the reverse.

Sources:

[1] http://articles.chicagotribune.com...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3] http://articles.cnn.com...
[4] http://www.biblearchaeology.org...
[5] http://books.google.com...
[6] http://ebmp.org...
http://www.sciencedaily.com...
http://www.washington.edu...
[7] http://www.books.google.com...
[8] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Buddhist

Pro

Buddhist forfeited this round.
Jzyehoshua

Con

I will wait for Pro to respond before making any additional arguments. I feel I have stated my beliefs successfully thus far and wait with interest to see what Pro's rebuttal will be.
Debate Round No. 2
Buddhist

Pro

Buddhist forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Buddhist

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
Buddhist

Pro

Buddhist forfeited this round.
Jzyehoshua

Con

I reaffirm my original arguments that Christianity has considerably better manuscript evidence than Buddhism. I question whether the evidence of Buddhism's scriptural preservation shows its doctrine of pacifism is ancient, and given that I believe that it drew influence from Christianity and the Bible, rather than the other way around.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by StevenDixon 3 years ago
StevenDixon
What?
Posted by Buddhist 3 years ago
Buddhist
Is is an emotion. Attachment is to think that the emotion is attached to the object. Buddhism teaches that they are separate and independent of one another.
Posted by StevenDixon 3 years ago
StevenDixon
Love is an attachment. That's why it exists in the first place.
Posted by Buddhist 3 years ago
Buddhist
You can love the mother but you should not attach to the mother.

If the mother dies, just another body to the death. The soul is reborn.
Posted by StevenDixon 3 years ago
StevenDixon
The whole removing yourself from attachments thing is incredibly stupid. ANy philosophy that tells me I shouldn't love my mommy is horrible.
Posted by philochristos 3 years ago
philochristos
I think you should spell out some specific views you have because there's a lot of diversity within Buddhism, and the only thing I know of that all Buddhists share in common is the four noble truths.
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Vote Placed by wrichcirw 3 years ago
wrichcirw
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