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Bullying in middle/high school builds character for victims, thus should encouraged.

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Started: 1/19/2008 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Adolph_Hitler_Rules

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I'm tired of seeing all of these complaints about the public school system. Bullying has always been one of the most beneficial aspects in schools.

Lets face it. Today, alot of our kids are rotten to the core. Giving them a good tap with a belt (or in my case, a hose pipe) will get your thrown in jail nowadays, so the legal system pretty much encourages that we spoil our children. But right when our rotten kids get to school, they learn their lesson real fast when someone twice their size decides to teach them a physical lesson. It's not until this point that these kids learn their lesson and become humble. Most of these kids turn into geeks/nerds. Without bullying, we probably wouldn't even have the Bill Gates we know and love. One could argue that bullying is what builds our economy.

Thus, bullying should be made mandatory in schools. Here's my plan:

On orietation day, the shools principle would find suitable candidates for the task of bullying and assign them to their territories. The bullies would be handsomely paid $10.00 a week for their services (in addition to any amount of money they can get from their victims). The bullies would be able to keep 5 out of the 10 dollars they make as the other 5 would go into their college fund (as lets face it, life usually goes down hill for these bullies after high school, so putting money into a college fund for them would be all the more beneficial).

And that's all I've gotta say.
Kleptin

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I am mixed about whether or not being bullied can help build character, but I am certain that it should not be encouraged.

1. First and foremost, many kids are bullied purely because of physical weakness, even though they may be strong and self-confident people in and of themselves. But because of constant harassment, they may eventually snap.

I cite a New Jersey public school case where an intelligent, but severely overweight teen, after enduring years of abuse, eventually came to school in a trench coat and sunglasses with a firearm a-la-Matrix, intending to shoot and kill two bullies who has assaulted him. Fortunately, he placed his trust in a friend, showing him the firearm, and was arrested.

My point is, it's not possible or advisable to encourage negative behavior for the sake of a possible *good* outcome. We have no idea how a bullied person would react.

2. In addition, bullies themselves need to be bullied. If you hire them for that position, how would these bullies grow as people? The benefit, if there IS any, would go entirely to the victims, whereas the bullies would become more and more violent because their behavior is encouraged. Perhaps you may breed a country half-full of smart people, but the other half would be violent, bloodthirsty sociopaths.

3. Slippery slope. If your advice was taken for those reasons, where else could people apply it? In the office? In congress? In a hospital or nursery? People don't stop growing mentally, so should people working a 9-5 job be punched in the gut periodically to ensure that they don't get delusions of grandeur? What about criminals who assault other people? Can they then argue that they were helping mankind by doing what they do, and after beating someone up, they simply walk free?

4. This is immoral. The principle of double effect is a test in which someone can determine whether an act is good or evil.

1. The act in question must be either good or neutral in nature.

Bullying others is neither good nor neutral in nature. It involves hurting other people physically.

2. The intention is for the good effect and not the evil effect.

Yes, the intention is for the strengthening of a personality.

3. The good outweighs the evil enough to make the risk worth it.

No. Bullying may strengthen a personality but it may not be worth it, especially because there may be psychological damage, or the amount of benefit towards development is simply not worth the physical/mental pain.

4. The good effect does not come about because of the evil.

Failed. The good effect only comes about by way of the evil effect.

The test declares an actions evil when it fails even one of the four. In this case, it has failed three out of the four.

Therefore, this action is morally evil.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by kcougar52 9 years ago
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Both contenders have good points to a certain point. Unfortunately, Hitler's case does not specify the outcomes of the victims except that it "builds character". This is purely speculation. As we see time after time in the news, victims don't always go on to be Bill Gates.
Posted by moosewings 9 years ago
moosewings
Good Job KLEPTIN IE: Never Feed A troll
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
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Much thanks, but to the people voting, Please don't let Pro's picture, name, or position bias you. Let's focus on the strength of the arguments presented and not our personal feelings o.o
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Hmm, well I don't know about your morally evil conclusion. That said, you did a better job than the Nazi, so my vote goes to you. :D
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
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This has to be one of the most absurd resolutions I've ever seen and I've seen quite a few. :o
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