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backwardseden
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RONDEBATES1211
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But why would god kill innocent children when it's the grown-ups who were acting stupid?

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Started: 1/29/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

A 10 year old daughter asked of her father, leaving him dumbfounded and will with you as well, that is if you have a conscious, unlike nearly all who are religious and believe in god... "But why would god kill innocent children when it's the grown-ups who were acting stupid?" Actually why would god kill or send his armies to kill........... period? If god is god, there would be no need or requirement for killing. And since he can kill, why doesn’t he, rather than man having do his dirty work for him? After all, god most certainly did kill a lot in the old testament. Then POOF, he suddenly stopped and he suddenly had no more armies to kill for him. So tell me god, with all your wisdom of mass killing, why did you suddenly stop?

Roughly 9 million children under the age of 5 die every single year due to famine, disease, war, abuse or whatever. So where is YOUR god to protect them in which children should be protected? That's one precious child every 3 1/2 seconds on average, and most of them have parents who are imploring that god spare them. Where is god during all of this? God is nonexistent. But oh yeah, god knowingly creates children to suffer. AND he obviously loves it OTHERWISE he would not create it.

god truly hates children…
A weeping 12-year-old Philippine girl, Glyzelle Palomar, put forth to the pope a few years ago: "Many children are abandoned by their parents. Many children get involved in drugs and prostitution," continuing "Why does God allow these things to happen to us? The children are not guilty of anything." She's fricken right.
The pope responded "She is the only one who has put a question for which there is no answer and she wasn't even able to express it in words but in tears," the pope told a crowd that organisers said reached 30,000.
In other words, god truly hates children which is a truly "duh "situation. The bible proves this time and time again with verse after verse showing how god truly hates children AND from his maw nonetheless. Also notice how children do not get to say a single sentence in the bible? Not one. Its like having your mouth glued shut for your entire childhood. That's the worst form of child abuse there is - to be neglected and ignored. And the bible does it so well. Sure god and jesus have stated that they love children or whatever, but that's not the same thing. Not by a long shot. How would you like it if someone spoke for you for your entire childhood and you could not say a single word on your behalf? Well, you'd naturally hate it. Also the bible is surely incomplete because there are no voices of children, there are no children talking or singing, or voices of them playing, when it is most assuredly required.
How would you like it if you as an adult, who worked so hard for your children, as well you should, and they should always be the center of your life, were to find out that they were left out of your life? Well, once again you'd naturally hate it. And that's exactly what the bible and god has done in leaving children completely out of "their" most supposed sacred book of history that is supposed to engulf everything that was known within their supposed surroundings up until that special moment in time, and yet it completely ignores and neglects children. Well good job for the men who wrote the bible. Not to bright.

And quoting someone else "And If god intended to unify mankind he did just the opposite when he allowed prophets and religions to flourish everywhere on Earth." In other words god loves conflict, otherwise the human race would have been unified long ago. So what is god waiting for? For man to continue to FURTHER hate each other?

Mark Twain - “Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion — several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven.”

Ludwig Borne - “Getting rid of a delusion makes us wiser than getting hold of the truth.”
Quoting someone "christians will tell you their god works in mysterious ways. They don't factor in the failed hypothesis that there is no loving god."

And in quoting another "Please remember that a good percentage of the bible was written by rapists, pedophiles, war-mongers and slave-owners"

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins

Now some verses from the cuddly warm fuzzy bible...
2 Samuel 12:11-14 11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. From evilbible.com [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

Deuteronomy 2:34 “34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:”

Leviticus 26:21-22 “And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.” Rob you of your children?

Hosea 13:16 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”

Exodus 21:14 -17 "But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die. 15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. 16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. 17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.”

Isaiah 13:15-18 "Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children."

2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. 29 So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.” Yummy cannibalism!

Jeremiah 11:22-23 22 “Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will punish them: the young men shall die by the sword; their sons and their daughters shall die by famine: 23 And there shall be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.

Jeremiah 19: 7-9 7 “And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. 8 And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof. 9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.”

2 Kings 2:23-24 “And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."

So you see, there is no mercy from god. Only raw arrogance and violence and especially a destructive force at its finest. One can not forget about a super “ego” complex as well. So why would I or anyone want to find mercy from that? Yeah god is 100% pure evil. After all, he's got anger, wrath, jealousy of all things, vengeance, rage, fury and those terms are quoted of him in YOUR bible. Now why would an imperfect god require those imperfect emotions? And then even worse, to pass them down to man? That is pure unadulterated hate. Who would want to - ever - believe in god like that? Certainly no one who is in any way sane.

RULES:

Prove that god is not a piece of s--t and loves children and does not knowingly create children to horiffically suffer.





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RONDEBATES1211

Con

#1 God does not kill anyone. God gave people free-will and we abused it. That is why God sent Jesus. Do not blame God anyway, blame Adam and Eve. They disobeyed God and created death by doing so. You may say that this story is fake because it doesn't go with the theory of revolution. But I say it does. The Bible is good at using metaphors and "one day" could be a metaphor for a period of evolution. a day during while things were created did not have to be 24 hours because there was no sun to track time yet created. Adam and Eve were the first with free will and they were taken by temptation and ruined it all for us. Although everything that happens is all part of God's plan. They are all in a better place now.

#2 Why did this 10 YEAR OLD GIRL say that the grown-ups were acting stupid? Isn't she bound to be a grown-up? Is she going to be stupid? Well obviously she has to be. Because all adults are stupid. So why should we trust this "soon-to-be stupid person"? And how do we know that all children are innocent? Guess what? THEY'RE NOT!

#3 Why do you hate God? He created us both and just wants the best for us.

I look forward to debating with you :)
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

Wow. You are in your own world of a slaughterhouse and I hope that you never have children because if something were to ever happen that was to be tragic, like if they were to be shot and lose their lives, you’d probably be so ignorant as to say “well its god’s will” when you cannot even prove that god even exists because no one has ever been able to.

Now to prove you completely 100% wrong YOUR god in his bible has most certainly killed. But then again you have not read your bible at all and wow does it show. Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god’s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope. Oh and btw, there’s no such a thing as “love” within any genocide.

“When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals. When you say ‘yes the bible says you can own slaves but’ well now you’re contradicting yourself because before I was asking if you thought the bible was accurately representing the mind of god, the will of god. You’ve got this conflicted mess of contradictions and you’ve found a way to rationalize them. You’ve gone and looked at them and said ‘boy that one really sounds bad, BUT that’s what Israel was doing that’s not what god was doing. So let me ask you this… do you believe that there’s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god who has an important message for humanity and he is so completely inept that his best attempts at communicating to people managed to convey the exact opposite message of what you think he meant? Now like are you the one who got it right? And all the people who authored the holy book and got you started that they managed to get it wrong? Is your god such a bumbling buffoon that he cannot state ‘thou shalt not own somebody as another human being?’ or ‘please don’t rape the people and pillage the villages around you’” and he managed to communicate so poorly that it got written down as “Thou shalt be able to own other people as property and oh by the way go over there and kill everybody kill everything except for the young virgins.” Its asinine. You cannot reconcile this.” Matt Dillahunty

Now as far as Free Will is concerned, um nope. God most certainly does not give ANYONE, by any means FREE WILL. Here’s 4 videos that 100% proves this.
- All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
- Free Will With god
- god Favors Evil

- god allows Free Will?
Not only that but 1. If god knows everything, he knows your Free Will/ your choices, BEFORE you are going to be making your choices/ free will thus you do not have free will. 2. Your god does not have free will. After all how can he if he does not know his choices before he makes them? That is not free will so man cannot have free will. 3. There’s nothing in your bible, not even close, that states “I the LORD thy god grants man free will”. So you do not have free will. 4. Say you have free will. Your god could easily take the evil, hate and pain out of free will. Such as the rape and torture of a 6 year old girl. But no. Your god leaves it in because he’s a sadistic pig.

I am NOT going to take the blame for Adam and Eve. You can. And that’s your own arrogance and faults. Why should you take the faults in which were not someone’s faults in the first place from who knows when? Doesn’t that seem rather idiotic? Of course the story is blatantly and ignorantly fake and does not provide any lessons because its a law I or anybody would should and could break at anytime without significance. But not according to your god who handed down a really stupid harsh law. Now here’s a question for you… statement actually… your god could have started and kept with peace, love, harmony, kindness, care for each other. Nah. Your god has freely admitted to having anger, wrath, vengeance, rage, fury, jealousy. Jealousy? What from a supreme deity? Jealousy is nothing more than anger as disguised fear. Even worse is this supposed god of yours passed down those emotions so man could in turn learn to hate with all the baggage that comes along with it that these emotions clearly are that this god drags around with him. Hey god, dump those emotions and how’s about thinking about peace, kindness, love, caring for each other, harmony etc? Nah. So don’t talk to me or anyone that YOUR god is “good” when he is most certainly not anything like it. Not only that since this god of YOURS has these emotions it clearly means that he is imperfect. Now who in their right stale mind would ---ever--- want to bow down to an inferior supreme deity bile god such as the one you picked from your closet because what else could it be?
Strange isn’t it that in comparison that the Inca, many of the native American Indian tribes until your white man greasy sweaty racist pig christian wiped them out, the aborigines, Hindu’s, Gaia Mother Earth, Buddhists etc etc etc they do not practice nor preach nor go to war over their religions, not anywhere close to the evils nor hate that the christians do. Now why is that? And yet according to your god worshiping other gods is considered to be the most evil thing there is, and you should be stoned to death for it. So you follow your lord’s orders and you come on down here and stone me to death. Whatsamatter? You are not going to follow your god’s orders? Why? Why not?

Moving on…
You do realize that you are absolutely amazing at inventing excuses. I mean you do get that - right?

“The Bible is good at using metaphors and "one day" could be a metaphor for a period of evolution. a day during while things were created did not have to be 24 hours because there was no sun to track time yet created.” Yeah but that was only until the sun was created and then genesis 1:14 solves that problem with “14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:” So time was born.

Regardless NOTHING is established in scripture. That’s because the christian god, if remotely intelligent in which he is clearly not, would never use text as a source of communication, the worst form of communication possible so everybody can get it wrong. There’s translations upon translations upon translations upon translations upon copies upon copies upon copies upon copies upon dead languages upon dead langanguages with absolutely 0% of a chance to trance it back to the original. So absolutely nobody knows if they are interpreting correctly.

“Although everything that happens is all part of God's plan.” So that right there proves that you in no way have free will of any kind. None. You just proved it.

“#2 Why did this 10 YEAR OLD GIRL say that the grown-ups were acting stupid?” See that’s the ab-so-lu-te problem with christians like you and its truly infuriating and that you ALWAYS, NO EXCEPTIONS, just as YOUR god does, YOU place children as the lowest of the low and on the chopping block. I mean jeez, to give you a perfect example and hopefully this will jog some light into your brain, there’s 4, count em 4, of the 10 commandments that are geared towards god’s precious frail fragile ego, and only his ego when they can easily be chucked. And not one commandment is geared towards children like “thou shalt ALWAYS protect and honor children and never cause unto them any harm”. But nah, your god is only concerned with his overbearing egotistical self righteous self.
In answer to your question, did you google the girl? Do you think a 10 year old girl is ready to take on responsibilities of an adult? Do you think a 10 year old girl should have to feed herself and family? Do you think she should have to live on the streets and starve because her parents neglect her which is the worst form of child abuse there is every single day because YOUR god creates it? Are you seriously that naive? And DO YOU THINK THAT A 10 YEAR OLD GIRL CAN FORESEE HER FUTURE FOR ADULTHOOD, THAT SHE IS A FORTUNE TELLER?

See the problem with christians is you do not have the ability to think, rationalize, reason, use common sense, nor use logic. That’s because your god, bible and religion has none.

“So why should we trust this "soon-to-be stupid person"?” yadda yadda yadda That’s why you are a stupid christian. That’s why you should not have children because in no possible way can you raise them properly. Let me take one wild stab in the dark, you were abused, you have precious few genuine friends if any, you think you know everything that there isand you most certainly cannot say “I don’t know” to anything after all your god must be perfect.

#3 Why do you hate god? YOUR god hates children as CLEARLY proved and caused massive genocides + a whole lot more. Oh and btw, um no he most certainly did not create us, you cannot even prove he even exists.

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Posted by collin1112 5 months ago
collin1112
all of you are dumb and i stand with the con guy
Posted by KwLm 6 months ago
KwLm
@Bryan What right have you to say such a thing?
Posted by BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2 6 months ago
BryanMullinsNOCHRISTMAS2
Both pro and con should leave DDO.
Posted by Debating_Horse 6 months ago
Debating_Horse
The con person has no proof that a god created humans.
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