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CLEANSING- INTERNAL - KEY FOR HEALTH

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Started: 1/9/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Solarman1969

Pro

Here is my second of many health related topics I will bring up for your education, kids : )

Cleansing of your internal organs is CRITICAL for optimal health

Want to learn more? think Im full of cr*p? DEBATE ME

SOLARMAN
Tatarize

Con

Your internal organs tend to clean themselves, aren't dirty. For a while it was believed that enemas were useful until procoscopes were developed and we could see the living colon and that it was actually quite clean.

New Age nonsense about toxins being everywhere and causing health problems are fiction. Heart, lungs, bowls, kidneys, lymph nodes... your internals are pretty clean.

It probably won't hurt much, but there's no scientific evidence that it does a lick of good. Although, I suppose you could use a chest cracker and a toilet scrubber to "clean" them and do a lot of damage. At best, however, it's worthless. Your organs are clean.
Debate Round No. 1
Solarman1969

Pro

WELCOME!

WELCOME MY FRIENDS TO SOLARMANS WORLD OF HEALTH

TODAYS TOPIC : INTERNAL CLEANSING

YET ANOTHER SOLARMAN KEY TO HEALTH- TWICE PER YEAR

I am going to eventually cover ALL organs, but first I am going to focus only on the digestive tract and dietary considerations.

Just for starters, think of it this way - why does dialysis exist ? becuase some peoples kidneys cannot take out the toxins that are accumulated on a constant basis in the body by metabolic processes.

CLEANSING PART 1: THE COLON

(refs www.ariseandshine.com ; www.cleanse.net)

What is Colon Cleansing?

The term Colon Cleanse refers to the process of removing toxins, debris, and waste from the colon and your intestines.

There are many schools of thought about the proper process of colon cleansing, however, most health experts agree, there are a multitude of healthful beneifts associated with ridding your body of toxins.

It is IMPORTANT to eliminate congestion and toxins from your body, beginning by cleansing the entire digestive tract.

A diet consisting of mainly raw fruits and vegetables, with a few cooked or processed foods helps maintain life essential electrolyte balance, and keep the digestive system functioning properly.

Supplying the body with the elements needed for building and maintaining healthy tissues is essential

Reducing intake of acid-forming foods, such as: processed foods, meat, fish, dairy products, soft drinks, sugar, salt, bread and fried foods

Maintaining friendly bacteria is necessary for a strong immune system and proper digestion.

INTERNAL HEALTH

The survival of every animal, bird, fish, plant and germ depends entirely upon their environment. An attack on that environment can only be successful when it has been degenerated by pollutants and the system compromised. The same is true of our bodies. Germs cause infection in a susceptible host, but pathogenic germs cannot overcome a clean, healthy and active human body. Disease is generally not acquired; it is frequently created by, and often the result of, an unnatural lifestyle, an internal development which can lead to millions of people suffering needlessly.

If we allow our bodies to become acidic, polluted and congested, we run the risk of weakening our glands and organs and they can't function at peak capacity. It is reasonable to maintain that if you rid your body of toxins, good health can be sustained.The intestinal tract is the hub of the entire body—all cells are dependant upon a well functioning digestive system. When digestion is off, even good food can become toxic. As long as this internal state exists our bodies can weaken and we become more prone to deficiencies and disease.* A compromised digestive system can result in accumulation along the intestinal wall, in the stomach and in the colon and is otherwise known as 'mucoid plaque'.

As this plaque coagulates it retains various substances such as drugs, free radical-producing compounds, heavy metals, parasites and more, all of which combine to interfere with normal bowel function, nutrient assimilation and regular elimination. When you improve your diet and strive for maximum health, the first step and most important step is to remove this 'mucoid plaque'.

What is Mucoid Plaque?

http://www.cleanse.net...

Mucoid plaque is a substance that the body naturally creates under unnatural conditions, such as attack from acids, drugs, heavy metals, and toxic chemicals.

the "Mucoid Plaque" found in the bowel is not equivalent to the natural healthy gastric and intestinal mucosa.

The natural mucosa serves as a necessary buffer for the gastrointestinal wall and as a lubricant for intestinal motility.

"Mucoid plaque" of any description is unnatural and is found only after the body has moved towards diseased states. Medical science has many words to describe each of these conditions, but there are no effective terms that describe them under one category.

Should you cleanse? YES!

"The colon is a sewage system, but by neglect and abuse it becomes a cesspool. When it is clean and normal, we are well and happy; let it stagnate, and it will distill the poisons of decay, fermentation and putrefaction into the blood, poisoning the brain and nervous system so that we become mentally depressed and irritable; it will poison the heart so that we are weak and listless; poisons the lungs so that the breath is foul; poisons the digestive organs so that we are distressed and bloated; and poisons the blood so that the skin is sallow and unhealthy. In short, every organ of the body is poisoned, and we age prematurely, look and feel old, the joints are stiff and painful, neuritis, dull eyes and a sluggish brain overtake us; the pleasure of living is gone."

- Dr. Bernard Jensen, D.C., Ph.D., from his Doctor-Patient Handbook

Harmful diet and lifestyle cultural norms in the Western World have resulted in a health disorder, which affects countless individuals today in varying degrees. Oftentimes, this disorder is an over-acid condition in the digestive system which leads to a host of other ailments related to incomplete and ineffective digestion. Dr. Richard Anderson estimates that 94% of all meat eaters and 70% of all vegetarians in the United States are over-acid. Problems generally associated with over-acidity include the following: immune disorders, arthritis, bowel disease, indigestion, gallstones, obesity, nervousness, yeast infections, bacterial infections, mood swings, poor eyesight, dermatitis, parasites, heart disease, liver disease, lung disease, fatigue, and bronchitis.

WHAT IS CLEANSING?

there are a number of different cleanses available on the market today

many of these simply have built upon the work of Dr Anderson

Do a google search on "clease" , and you will see hundreds of links

there is alot of truth and falsehood and as SOLARMAN is a learned man in terms of biochemistry, he will present HIS OPINIONS based on HIS EXPERIENCE

The ARISE AND SHINE CLEANSE

The arise and shine cleanse constists of the following

(1) herbs

(2) shakes

and (3) dietary restrictions

The herbs break up the mucoid plaque over a period of time, and the shakes push the material out.

there is a MINIMUM of a 3 week period necessary for the herbs to be able to loosen up the plaque so that it can be removed

there is 4 weeks to the program

the first three weeks, you are allowed to eat one -three meals of LIVE FOODS a day.

the last week is just herbs and shakes.

the overarching goal of the cleanse is to REORIENT your thinking on food and convince you that eating only LIVE FOODS and eliminating processed foods, meat, cooked foods and other things from your diet, and get a more BASIC ahd HEALTHY environment in your gut

you will LOSE AT LEAST 15 pounds the first time you do it, and will feel INCREDIBLE

you will NOT BELIEVE the NASTY CRAP that comes out of you -

the first time SOLARMAN did the cleanse, I lost 30 lbs (which I have NEVER REGAINED) and about 30 FEET of black, nasty , smelly mucoid plaque came out of my body

I was SO HAPPY to have that GARBAGE out of my body!

I have done the cleanse every six months since for 10 years.

SOLARMAN RECOMMMENDS THE ARISE AND SHINE CLEANSE

IT IS ONE OF HIS KEYS TO HEALTH

Opponent Tartarize's arguments

"Your internal organs tend to clean themselves, aren't dirty"

"New Age nonsense about toxins being everywhere and causing health problems are fiction. Heart, lungs, bowls, kidneys, lymph nodes... your internals are pretty clean."

"It probably won't hurt much, but there's no scientific evidence that it does a lick of good"

"At best, however, it's worthless. Your organs are clean."

SOLARMAN
Tatarize

Con

You should wash your skin from time to time.

The remainder of your organs should not be "washed". Your body is quite good at ridding itself of garbage. In fact, that's what your lymphatic system does. As for your colon it stores digesting materials. You could shove a tube up your rectum and spray around removing feces but that would come out on it's own in a couple days. The idea that the colon is a dirty organ storing up toxins is roughly speaking: poppycock. In fact, usually when people mention "stored toxins" they are what the medical community calls, wrong.

We have colonoscopy now, we can look up there, in fact it is recommended that from 50 years old you start getting regular colonoscopies to check for colon cancer. There's nothing up there to clean. There's nothing but feces en route.
Debate Round No. 2
Solarman1969

Pro

this argument is So simple

all I am going to post is commonly held info

www.ariseandshine.com

www.cleanse.net

Here is some further info

http://curezone.com...

Hulda Reghr Clark is the WOMAN!

The material you are about to read is quoted from
Dr. Hulda's book, The Cure for all Diseases.
It is presented here as a public information service only.
All rights are reserved by the author and/or the publisher.
You can make a print or a copy of this material !

90% of this book is available online, here: The Cure for all Diseases

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Copyright notice: "The Cure for all Diseases"
Permission is hereby granted to make copies of any part of this document for non-commercial purposes provided the original copyright notice with the author's name is included.
"The Cure for all Diseases": Copyright 1995 by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D.
All rights reserved.

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Liver cleanse - Gallbladder cleanse - Liver flush
Excerpt from the book:

"Cleansing the liver of gallstones dramatically improves digestion, which is the basis of your whole health. You can expect your allergies to disappear, too, more with each cleanse you do! Incredibly, it also eliminates shoulder, upper arm, and upper back pain. You have more energy and increased sense of well being.

It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day! The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one large tube (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the common bile duct and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fat or protein triggers the gallbladder to squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored bile finishes its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine.

For many persons, including children, the biliary tubing is choked with gallstones. Some develop allergies or hives but some have no symptoms. When the gallbladder is scanned or X-rayed nothing is seen. Typically, they are not in the gallbladder. Not only that, most are too small and not calcified, a prerequisite for visibility on an X-ray. There are over half a dozen varieties of gallstones, most of which have cholesterol crystals in them. They can be black, red, white, green or tan colored. The green ones get their color from being coated with bile. Notice in the picture (pg. 545) how many have imbedded unidentified objects. Are they fluke remains? Notice how man are shaped like corks with longitudinal grooves below the tops. We can visualize the blocked bile ducts from such shapes. Other stones are composites- made of many smaller ones- showing that they regrouped in the bile ducts some time after the last cleanse.

At the very center of each stone is found a clump of bacteria, according to scientists, suggesting a dead bit of parasite might have started the stone forming.

As the stones grow and become more numerous the back pressure on the liver causes it to make less bile. Imagine the situation if your garden hose had marbles in it. Much less water would flow, which in turn would decrease the ability of the hose to squirt out the marbles. With gallstones, much less cholesterol leaves the body, and cholesterol levels rise.

Gallstones, being porous, can pick up all the bacteria, cysts, viruses and parasites that are passing through the liver. In this way "nests" of infection are formed, forever supplying the body with fresh bacteria. No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver.

Preparation

You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program the week before.
Completing the kidney cleanse before cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys, bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.
Do any dental work first, if possible. Your mouth should be metal free and bacteria free (cavitations are cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver, burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem first for best results.

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Liver cleanse and gallbladder cleanse flush NO surgery

Ingredients

1/2 CupOlive Oil Extra Virgin (= 1.25 dl)

1 Big grapefruit (2 small) (Or 3 lemons)

4 tablespoon EPSOM salts = ( MgSO4 + 7H2O)

(EPSOM salts = Magnesium Sulphate = EPSOMITE = Magnesium Sulfate Heptahydrate)

3 cups water (=750 dl)

(P.S .!! 1 cup = 250 ml = 2.5 dl = 0.25 l )

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[Comment inserted by webmaster:

You can substitute 3 cups water (=750 dl) (that is used in this recipe to dissolve Epsom salt) with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice . That way you will not feel unpleasant taste of Magnesium Sulphate
( = Magnesium Sulfate = Epsom salt = MgSO4 + 7H2O) ]

[If using lemon juice, do not blend juice with oil.
Drink little oil, little juice, from 2 differnt cups.

If you mix oil and juice, it may (it doesn't happens always) sligtly congell, and get a slimy consitence that is not easy to swallow.
It may become slimy.

It never happens with grapefruit juice!]

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Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

[ You can substitute 3 cups water with 3 cups freshly pressed grapefruit juice, or freshly pressed apple juice, it tastes better .]

6:00 PM. Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in 3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil (ozonated, if possible) and grapefruit out to warm up.

Alternative Schedule 1: Omit the first Epsom Slats dose at 6 p.m. Take only one dose, waiting till 8 p.m. Change nothing else. Many people still get stones with one less dose. If you do not, do the full course next time. "The Cure For HIV and AIDS" By Hulda Clark pg.585

8:00 PM. Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom salts.You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

9:45 PM. Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Wash grapefruit twice in hot water and dry; squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove
Tatarize

Con

*eyeroll* There is no need to flush your system as such. If you have gallstones, go to the doctor, there's medications to prevent them from forming and surgery to remove the gallbladder and prevent them (bile doesn't actually do anything productive). Enemas again don't help. You can remove partially digested material, but that's all, everything would come out in due course.

There's a reason doctors don't recommend such things -- they don't work and aren't worthwhile.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
you once again have NO IDEA what you are talking about

and you cant read obviously- espeically a real science paper - it is WAY beyond your abilities, child

this site is filled with little children lke you who think you are smart but you really are NOT at all.

I have written theses and technical papers in Chemistry, Chemical engineering, Mechanical engineering, fuel science and other fields.

You can even READ a technical paper- and then you have the NERVE to flat out LIE about what you cant read.

READ THE PAPER

http://aem.asm.org...

it says

" an aqueous solution with a silver ion concentration of 900 ppb was electrolytically prepared by applying a current of 12.5 Amps over two plates of silver immersed in water"

Where do you see Silver Nitrate, genius

stick to your stupid liberal rants - you are way out of your league here
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
Sorry, I was under the impression that actual scientific studies could serve as a foundation for sensible arguments.

Frankly, after posting that link to a study talking about Silver Nitrate to debate Colloidal silver, you no longer have any scientific credibility. Not that you had any to start with, but it's best to start with a good assumption of people.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
you have no idea what youre talking about and make no sensible arguments in any of our debates

you are correct here on proper diet and exercise

I guess even a broken clock is right two times per day
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
Fasting shows no benefits. Dieting has shown massive benefits. Exercise too. In fact, exercise has shown to be more effective for almost everything than traditional medicine. Better at lowering blood pressure, better at controlling depression, better at reducing weight than any medication.

Fasting to flush out all your evil toxins is nonsensical bullsh!t. Dieting is a key for health. Good diet and exercise do more than your tubes up the butt, drinking of silver, or hanging upside down ever could.

Beyond being exceedingly rude, you're equivocating extremely dishonestly.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
Fasting has also shown no benefits. In fact, it seems to be a dangerous.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
there are a number of other good cleansing programs as well

fasting is also good

the main health problem with folks in the US is they eat too much, and dont excercise enough, and also eat the wrong foods

good luck
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
His source is proctoscopes. It might have acceptable until we got a camera and looked in some colons. It's partially digested food...
Posted by Wierdkp326 9 years ago
Wierdkp326
Solarman presented his "Argument" as one might push an advertisement on a morning infomercial. In the end, It wasn't really a debate.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
"This nonsense was disproven years ago."

your source?

All you fools who just throw statements out are funny

live with your toxins if you wish
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
This nonsense was disproven years ago.
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