The Instigator
AlwaysGraceful
Pro (for)
Winning
15 Points
The Contender
dynamicduodebaters
Con (against)
Losing
8 Points

Cake is better than pie.

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after 7 votes the winner is...
AlwaysGraceful
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/4/2014 Category: Arts
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,655 times Debate No: 61294
Debate Rounds (2)
Comments (30)
Votes (7)

 

AlwaysGraceful

Pro

Cake is better. There are more varieties. With pie you really only have fruit flavors. With cake you can do so much more. You can have fruit flavors and to addition have different types of icing, filling, topping, etc.
dynamicduodebaters

Con

I did my argument on a google doc:

https://docs.google.com...#

Thanks,

DDD
Debate Round No. 1
AlwaysGraceful

Pro

Google docs are not allowed. There is a 500 character limit. Cake is honest as well. It's the people like you that make the lies. Think about the children.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
True...
Posted by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
dynamicduodebaters
I know i made a mistake. Btw, i regret it. And u are the rookie.....
Posted by AlwaysGraceful 2 years ago
AlwaysGraceful
Rookie mistake.
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
I guess he was unaware of the rules... LOL.
Posted by AlwaysGraceful 2 years ago
AlwaysGraceful
I dont understand... Why would DDD join the debate if he was going to cheat. xx
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
I don't understand... Why would Pro make the character limit 500?
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
RFD: I ended up voting for Con because Con actually invested time towards his arguments. Why are they getting punished for this? Effort and quality matters the most.

Conduct: PRO

Conduct goes to Pro because Con violates the rule by exceeding the 500 character limit.

S&G: TIE

No explanations needed.

Arguments: CON

Although Pro violated a rule, I still decided to vote for Con because their arguments were more powerful. Let's take a look:

Pro's Arguments:

"Cake is better. There are more varieties. With pie you really only have fruit flavors. With cake you can do so much more. You can have fruit flavors and to addition have different types of icing, filling, topping, etc."

This argument is extremely weak. It's a claim without evidence. Con easily refuted this by bringing up examples of unique pie flavors (meat pie and chocolate pie). Additionally, Pro failed to bring up any examples of various types of cakes that exist. How can spectators be sure that cakes have more varieties?

"Google docs are not allowed. There is a 500 character limit. Cake is honest as well. It's the people like you that make the lies. Think about the children."

Pro did a great job pointing this out. I would have voted for Pro IF he/she refuted against all of Con's arguments.

Con's Arguments:

I'd like to first point out that all of Con's arguments were dropped, just because they were in Google Docs. Con, on the other hand, refuted against all of Pro's arguments. They explained how pies are healthy, in general. They also explained how pie is "honest." Unlike Pro's arguments, Con's arguments contained tons of data and explanations. They were humorous and very convincing. Con was actually able to prove how pie is good.

Sources: CON

Con actually brought up 7 sources. Pro didn't up any. Period.

Conclusion:

I voted based on ARGUMENTS, not rules. Con was able to explain how pie is beneficial in many ways... Pro, on the other, had nothing to back up his c
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
I'm going to post when I have time. My MacBook is malfunctioning... Keeps deleting my RFD... Maybe tomorrow. Sorry.
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
@bladerunner060- bladerunner060, I respect you. I consider that you are one of the best debaters at DDO. Your RFD are always descriptive and long. You win majority of your debates. You have more debating experience than I do.

Unfortunately, I do not care if you disagree with my vote... I am going to compose another RFD that is descriptive and long.
Posted by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
LDPOFODebATeR0328
@AlwaysGraceful- I totally understand... You deserved to win because he didn't follow the rules. I was just trying to point out his speech was clearly more convincing than yours. JK. LOL. Don't take me seriously... I still decided to vote for DDD just because the quality of his speech is better than yours.
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Vote Placed by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: In comments. I decided to change some of my decisions... I'd like to thank bladerunner060 for pointing what was wrong in my RFD.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: conduct to pro because con used way too much characters
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Reasons for voting decision: 500 character limit; Con did not comply with the rules of the debate.
Vote Placed by FuzzyCatPotato 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: gdocs
Vote Placed by debatability 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I'm voting on this because I honestly can't stand the use of google docs. Arguments are a null because very few arguments were made by pro, and I can't take con's arguments into account because they are on google docs. Conduct, *obviously* goes to pro because of the use of google docs. I get that it's kind of unnecessary for me to vote at this stage, but I really get ticked off whenever debaters use google docs. Also, this debate topic was awful.
Vote Placed by bladerunner060 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: RFD in comments.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con?s conduct was overall unacceptable. When a 500 character limit for each argument is given you do not just go make a document and give 9000 characters over that limmit. It is completely out of place. Because this is out of place I will not be awarding any other points. I can explain my reasoning behind this if necessary. Also if pro decides to critique con?s conduct she doesn?t necessarily have to give an argument, she should in principle but she doesn?t have to build a case. Pro: Next time build a case as well as running a critique on con?s conduct. Con: Never use a separate document to bypass rules written by the other team that is unacceptable