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JeffCline
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Ineedaname
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Can God make us sin or have us sin?

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JeffCline
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/30/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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JeffCline

Pro

Is it possible that God some how leads us into sin. Like for instance look at peter denying Jesus 3 times. Jesus said to peter you will deny me 3 times before peter actually did deny him then not even 24 hours later Peter did deny Jesus just like Jesus told him he will. Now since denying Jesus is a sin you could then say Peter sinned and if peter have not denied Jesus then peter most likely would have died with Jesus but that could not happen because if peter died with Jesus then peter could not have spread the Gospel or be the leader he was, so is it possible that God some how gets us to sin? or could it be that God just knows we will sin and how we sin so he can then use that sin to get a job done.
Ineedaname

Con

No, God does not make us sin, we choose whether or not we will. Sin is related to the choices we make. If you used an example from today such as stealing, that is our own choice, God does not decide what we will choose. We are simply given the choices and we choose, whether you choose the good side or bad, God is only there to guide us.
Debate Round No. 1
JeffCline

Pro

But take my first example for instances if Peter had never sinned then things would have happen differently. Like Peter would have died with Jesus and since Peter was pretty much the leader he would haven"t been able to lead his group. Also the people that Peter help save would have not been saved if Peter did not sin why because Peter would have then died with Jesus but he didn"t why did he not die because Peter denied Jesus even though 24 hours before he stated to Jesus he would not him for he will sacrifice his life for Jesus. So could God actually make peter sin then? And if yes then God can make us sin.
Ineedaname

Con

Ineedaname forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
JeffCline

Pro

Take another example for instances God knows when we will die corrected. Well he also knows how we will die. Take for instances if I was suppose to die by someone murdering me now murder is sin right. Well then the guy who would have murdered me would then have sinned. So since God knew I was going to die on a certain day by someone murdering me he would then had to make my murder commit that sin so I would have died that type of death. So if he had to make that person commit that sin then God can then make us sin.
Ineedaname

Con

Ineedaname forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by BearWithMe 1 year ago
BearWithMe
The christian god is omnipotent, so yes.
Posted by Hiskid 1 year ago
Hiskid
To clarify, Peter did not sin because Jesus said he would, Peter was going to sin regardless, Christ was just telling the future. Sure, things COULD have happened differently, but then you are talking about alternate realities, and the laws of debate go out the window.

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there they go.
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Vote Placed by brad1999 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit by Con.