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Elixthexpro
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oculus_de_logica
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Can Hulk defeat Superman?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/6/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Elixthexpro

Pro

The Hulk can definitely defeat Superman. Superman can hit him all he wants, but the angrier the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. Therefore, he would be able to get infinite power.
oculus_de_logica

Con

I'll accept the debate. I think that superman can turn Hulk into a mop and clean the floor with him if given the chance using his unnatural powers.
Debate Round No. 1
Elixthexpro

Pro

Superman cannot do anything to stop the Hulk. In many of the comics, the Hulk destroys cities in rage. Superman's lasers won't entirely effect the Hulk, since he can just counter it easily. Also, when was the last time Hulk got trapped in ice? Also, once Lex Luthor sees that there is a creature that has equal or greater to Superman's strength, he'll try to get on Hulk's side, so he can say that HE was the one who helped defeat Superman. Most likely, he'll grab some Kryptonite, attach it to Hulk's knuckles, and have the Hulk destroy Superman.
oculus_de_logica

Con

To fully understand what we are debating on let's re read the topic debate statement:
"Can Hulk defeat Superman?"

There is no clear definition in the word 'Defeat', nor can we assume that we're debating on if Superman would be able to defeat the Hulk. The statement simply implies that Hulk can defeat Superman, in what is entirely up to those debating. So, let's assume all possibilities.

Can the Hulk defeat Superman in a test of intelligence? Well, assuming we're also taking the alter egos into the debate, Bruce Banner and Clark Kent are both extremely intelligent, but in a long run the Green giant is possibly a bit further ahead than his flying opponent. So, if the two men would play chess, yes, the Hulk might possibly defeat the man of steel. However, if we were to force the green superhero to play a game of smarts, I'd reckon that his anger would hinder any intelligent thoughts, meaning that Superman might outsmart him by a long shot, assuming that the angered Hulk won't break the chessboard.

How about speed? This time, it's Superman that has the final word, as we know that he is second to only the Flash when it comes to speed. In fact, Superman has a top speed at the speed of light, and even in some comics he manages to exceed that limit, all while still maintaining a perfect reaction rate. The Hulk however, albeit fast enough to create tornadoes, cannot outrun Superman and does not have a fast enough reaction speed to fully control his actions at top speed.

Currently, the two heroes are equal. But we still have not touched on the obvious issue and the one my opponent will try and defend the hardest: In a fight, who would win?

In the most pure form of the question we have to assume a fair fight. That means that we'll not include any outsiders, no assistants and no external force other than the abilities of the characters themselves.

Let's assume a scenario; Superman knocks into Bruce and breaks his favorite nuclear coffee mug. Bruce becomes mad and turns into the hulk.... But wait! According to the Marvel Wiki (see here: "marvel.wikia.com/Hulk_(Robert_Bruce_Banner)") Hulk doesn't actually reach his full strength in the exact moment that he transforms. This gives Superman a chance to Fly around the earth, reach 99.9999% of light speed and deliver a nuclear powered, star shattering smash that would blast the still transforming hulk apart on atomic level. (For a more precise explanation see the attached video: ).

Even if we would assume that Hulk somehow survived the hit, he will be knocked a few AU units away from earth. The harsh conditions of outer space might prove too much for him, but even if the now furious Hulk would survive total vacuum he still has no footing to 'swim' back to earth, he is simply stuck until he is forced to calm down (give a few millennium if he is really angered) and transforms back into good old Bruce Banner, the normal human that cannot survive vacuum and will die, essentially loosing the fight.

Before you say that the Hulk will grab onto something and stay on the earth, we must not forget that Superman can fly, Hulk cannot. Superman can fly up, Hulk jumps. Superman flies out of reach, Hulk keeps jumping. Eventually Hulk will grow tired and/or will be forced to accept that the hero of steel is out of reach. Given enough time, and again Bruce will calm down due to boredom or fatigue and turn back into vulnerable Bruce Banner.

And that is Hulk's main weakness. That unlike Superman, Hulk has an essential time limit on his power. His power is bound to his emotional state at any given time. Superman has two known weaknesses, Kryptonite and Magic. Hulk is just as invincible, but he is so connected to his inner emotions that without them he will loose his power faster than you can say "Hulk Smash!"

But what I think will be my main argument in this round is simply the fact that the two have fought, and in all three cases Superman has either won or tied with the Green Giant. In one fight Superman simply stays put and tolerates the attacks of the Hulk unharmed until the Hulk tired out and changed back. The second time they met Hulk ended up knocked out and the third one ended with Superman convincing the Hulk that they should not be fighting. (source: http://scifi.stackexchange.com... )

So, to conclude: The Superman is at least equally powerful as the Hulk meaning the Hulk cannot defeat him. We cannot argue that Superman would be able to defeat the Hulk but we know that relying only on his own power the Hulk will not be able to defeat Superman which can withstands his attacks and even if the Hulk would reach maximum rage Superman would still be able to maintain a distance for the time required for Hulk to calm down. The question "Can Hulk defeat Superman" thus points towards the simple answer: "No, he cannot."
Debate Round No. 2
Elixthexpro

Pro

Elixthexpro forfeited this round.
oculus_de_logica

Con

My opponent forfeited his round. I have no further arguments to add to those already placed in round 2.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ihavegotnewsocks 3 years ago
ihavegotnewsocks
You make a good point. You're right, I have to give it to you. Superman could stop a defeat by throwing Hulk into space. Really it's a loss for both of them, but technically not a defeat, rather a tie, and unfortunate for all life.
Posted by oculus_de_logica 3 years ago
oculus_de_logica
Well, you may not have realized this but I don't read comics and I don't know anything about the Dc nor Marvel universes. What I present here is simply what I managed to find online while writing my case, so thank you for your input. :)

But on space: The resolution wasn't if one could kill the other, it was simply who would win in a fight. If Hulk is floating around in space we can assume that he has lost the fight as he cannot get back to earth nor really fight anymore unless superman gets closer. But whether that loss would destroy the universe is a topic for another debate. ;)
Posted by ihavegotnewsocks 3 years ago
ihavegotnewsocks
I disagree with the comment "How about speed? This time, it's Superman that has the final word, as we know that he is second to only the Flash when it comes to speed. In fact, Superman has a top speed at the speed of light, and even in some comics he manages to exceed that limit, all while still maintaining a perfect reaction rate. The Hulk however, albeit fast enough to create tornadoes, cannot outrun Superman and does not have a fast enough reaction speed to fully control his actions at top speed."

The problem here is Marvel is constantly updating Hulk's powers, as is DC. If you look at Marvel.com you'll see according to the most recent power grid Hulk has the capability to be faster than light. This is because, again according Marvel, Hulk's speed increases with his anger, not just his strength. Hulk was able to stay toe to toe with Sentry, one of Marvel's Superman equivalents, with Superman speed.

Plenty of super fast Marvel heroes, including Gladiator, have tried to tear Hulk apart on the "molecular level." Didn't work for them, and it wouldn't work for Superman.

Mentioned was "Hulk would survive total vacuum he still has no footing to 'swim' back to earth, he is simply stuck until he is forced to calm down (give a few millennium if he is really angered) and transforms back into good old Bruce Banner, the normal human that cannot survive vacuum and will die, essentially loosing the fight."

The problem with this contention is it doesn't consider How long Hulk survives in space. According to Dr. Strange Hulk absorbs gamma energy from every dimension. If Hulk were left in space he wouldn't be able to revert to Banner's form. Dr. Strange noted that if the Gamma absorption doesn't stop this will kill Hulk. The problem is this also destroys the entire universe with it. So if Superman is insistent on destroying the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, then throwing Hulk into space is a good way to do it, Superman's best (and worst) bet is to leave Hulk on earth.
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
@oculus_de_logica

You are clearly underestimating Superman's capabilities.
He is much stronger than Hulk, able to push Earth out of it's gravitational orbit.
He is even faster than the Flash, able to travel back in time because of his speed.

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Reasons for voting decision: Pro FF the final round and thus, lost conduct points. Con had many more points to their argument than Pro and successfully refuted Pro's arguments. All the while, Con gave us a video to watch furthering some evidence of his and giving him a source of information.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con made more convincing arguments and provided sources, while Con's arguments were based on his unlikely imaginary assumptions, in which Lex Luthor HELPS Hulk, which would mean that Lex Luthor beats Superman and not Hulk. Pro lost points in conduct for forfeiting.