Can there be a god?
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Religion was created as a way to explain unexplainable events. As we have become better able to explain these things with science and reason and logic, we have had less and less a need for deities. First were gods made of nature itself that explained life and growth. Then came gods that represented and influenced various forces of nature that explained the weather and the cosmos. Science has effectively eliminated the gods down to 2 main gods; Yahweh/Elohim/Adoni, and Allah. Both serve to give answers to the supposed last great unknown; that of death. People who believe in either of these gods are nearly as atheistic as atheists, as they have a lack of belief in only one less God than atheists. They have ceded that science has rendered the existence of the other thousands of gods obsolete. Even religious individuals must acknowledge the absolution of the potential of knowledge from science, yet they continue to follow given ideas and beliefs instead of asking and doubting an questioning and testing until the truth is found. Because the truth is not what is peaceful or pleasant or even what you have CHOSEN TO BELIEVE because it sounds right. The truth exists despite anyone's belief in it, therefore the only true way to find the truth is not to accept what you've been told, but to question everything until you can no longer. Only then if it holds up can it be true. You cannot know there is a god until you have entertained and fully exhausted atheism and science.
From 'reason' - tell me, if God doesn't exist, how did the SPERM know that there are FEMALE ORGANS it should stimulate to in order of the importance of human reproduction?
and how did the FEMALE ORGANS know that they should be stimulated with SPERM in order of the importance of human reproduction?
This pattern of the SPERM and the FEMALE ORGAN manifesting into a human would have 'never' have started without there being at least an intelligent outside interference who started it.
Who gives conscience?
If you believe God doesn't exist, then you should have no problem with a rapist man raping a baby girl. Yes, you should have no problem with a brutal rapist raping a baby girl.
But no, you do care, since you have a conscience.
Can't you see that you have something godly in you, conscience! You know that what's wrong and, you know what's right!
If we evolved from animals, i.e. monkey, we would still have no conscience (forever not knowing right from wrong). But no, we were made in the image and likeliness of God, men is far much more superior. Let evolution not be the only way for you to go with suppressing the irrefutable truth.
God created you
God is for you
And you are for God
Human conscience comes from empathy. Empathy is a chemical response to external stimulus triggered by seeing an external source that in some way resembles you. It's why when he hear about tape occurring to another human, we feel for them. It's this same feeling of empathy that keeps us from DOING these things to another human being. It's the reason we don't feel as strongly about killing animals as we do humans. It's why we feel closer and can relate more and feel more first to our families, then people who we can connect to, our friends, then the rest of humanity. They resemble us less and therefore trigger less of a response to our empathetic system. This is where logic comes in. Logic is the other part of conscience that continues to work where empathy is unable. I might not feel empathetic towards a Forrest that has been cut down, but I can reason that it is wrong from imperial evidence that shows it is damaging to the environment. And while you may not feel for the trees, you may feel more for the animals who lived in them, and you'd feel even more if humans were in them as they were cut down. This is all why feel terrible when we see rape and murder and theft. We feel for them chemically, then reason logically. Psychopaths aren't crazy. Not at all. They were simply born without a functional empathetic system. They feel nothing for other people. Not all psychopaths are murderers. Some still use that other half, logic, to reason that if they commit murder, they would be imprisoned or executed or otherwise made unable to be free. They don't feel another's sense of property, so theft is easier. They don't feel for another's sense of fear or terror, so they are able to commit horrible acts of violence. Has God begrudged them this sense of conscience? He would not. Because according to gods plan, we were all made to have the ability to choose right from wrong. These people are literally, measurably born without this chemical system.
We did NOT come from monkeys. We and monkeys share a common ancestor with a species that resembles both of us. And in fact, as we ARE related, modern monkeys as well as their relatives and many other mammals DO have empathy. It's why they don't kill each other for no reason. It's why mammals work together better than any other animal group. Dogs are the best species in the animal kingdom at empathy across species. They are the best at reading human emotions and have the same chemical response and feel their emotions with them and attempt to help them. When you hear a cow scream in pain, you still feel something because it is eerily similar to the way humans express pain, but you'll feel less than when you hear a human scream. If you've ever heard a dog cry out in sadness, you've heard how much it sounds like any family members cries and it hurts you. This is very simple and calculable and observable. We feel for others chemically and can therefore make a logical decision to not do something to harm them.
I have told you exactly how this works naturally. And as I said, science currently explains everything God used to, except disproving the existence of an afterlife. However, if creation and conscience work without God, as we now know they do, God is made irrelevant, and if God is in any way irrelevant then he cannot be.
I grew up in a very religious home. I loved it. I still admire the hope and happiness it gives people. But along the way, I allowed myself to think and search. Before this, my whole belief system was given to me. That's what faith is. You re told something, and you choose to believe it instead of being wary and questioning it first to find its truth. These ideas are excepted because they are pleasant and make you happy. However the truth isn't what makes you feel good, it is what it is, the good, the bad, and the neutral. I've always found that in any argument for or against religion, the religious defense for any argument is the suspension of disbelief, or plausible deniability, or just simply faith. This is unreasoned untested ideology. You believe because you simply believe. And you resign yourself to be without questions or answers. You don't test God, because you have been told not to. But if you haven't tested something, you cannot be sure that it is real. Science is constantly tested. It's why the ideas have changed despite passionately believing in them before. It's why we used to believe the sun revolved around the earth but now now it's the opposite. Religion encourages accepting given beliefs which means the beliefs will never change and no growth will occur and no real truth can be found. Science tests everything until the truth is found and has created all the growth mankind has ever had. I appreciate that you love your faith but I implore you to test it further. And to go through the rest of this debate thinking objectively and without any predetermined decisions that you are absolutely right and will not have your mind changed. I in turn will do the same. If you can bring me to a different understanding of a god that can make me see he is possible, I would much rather believe I can live with my family forever rather than believe I will rot in the ground until the sun swallows the earth and the sun is swallowed by a black hole. For this reason, I will be receptive to your ideas, so long as they lead to the truth. Good or bad.
(If you even ever tried, you would certainly perceive that HIS FOOLISH IDEAS of how mankind should live outweighs even the MOST BRILLIANT IDEAS presented mankind - of how mankind should live.
***Disagree with me?
Present YOUR idea of how God should take care of mankind if He truly exists and, if your idea is better than God's idea. I would certainly praise and reconsider my belief.***)
Give me one good reason of why God should be seen by us for us to believe in him?
Because according to me, (Before God created the world) - God's idea for people to worship him even without seeing him and loving us by sending His only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for our wrong deeds while we were still his enemies.
That, is that best ever plan according to me!
So for the last time, I beg with you please, let the fairytale lie of evolution not be your Good News because the true Good News is that Jesus Christ descended on earth and died for all of us even while we were still sinners so that we may share the glory of the promise given to our ancestors, the land of milk and honey.
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