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Can this work about fruit be considered poetry

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Started: 11/5/2014 Category: Arts
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shakuntala

Con

Can this work about fruit be considered poetry
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Godisreal21

Pro

Yes, this can be considered poetry.

Oh those tight little bundles of sweet syrupy fruits wrapped up in white cloth that be soaked with the juices of those pulpy fleshy things the moisty cloth that on the airs sends sweet humid musky scents to perfume the world with the odors of those flesh pulp fleshy fruits those pulpy flesh fruits fleshy succulent ripe and luscious that we all long to lick suck kiss and eat long to kiss lick and suck that pulpy flesh from out pouting tingling lips

So, the definition of poetry is

writing that formulates a concentrated imaginative awareness of experience in language chosen and arranged to create a specific emotional response through meaning, sound, and rhythm

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Although this does not have a specific ryhme pattern, it indeed expresses feelings, and creates an emotional response through fruits. It fits within definition and does not have to ryhme. There are no real rules, but it has to create an atrictic expression. Therefore, this is indeed poetry.

http://examples.yourdictionary.com...

Debate Round No. 1
shakuntala

Con

hi
you give definition
"writing that formulates a concentrated imaginative awareness of experience in language chosen and arranged to create a specific emotional response through meaning, sound, and rhythm "

in your definition is rhythm
this work does not fit your definition because it has no rhythm ie a repeated or recurring pattern of anything be it sound stress letters etc

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
1. Movement or variation characterized by the regular recurrence or alternation of different quantities or conditions: the rhythm of the tides.
2. The patterned, recurring alternations of contrasting elements of sound or speech.

thus by your definition it is not poetry
Godisreal21

Pro

The poem expresses feeling, and creates an emotional response. As I have stated before, there is no specific rule, as long as it expresses feeling.

http://examples.yourdictionary.com......

It also has metaphorical language, and expresses emotions (as I stated before)
Debate Round No. 2
shakuntala

Con

con says
"The poem expresses feeling, and creates an emotional response. As I have stated before, there is no specific rule, as long as it expresses feeling.

http://examples.yourdictionary.com.........

It also has metaphorical language, and expresses emotions (as I stated before)"

but
you gave a definition of poetry which had the notion of rhythm
this work has no rhythm
therefore it does not meet your definition of poetry
so by your definition of poetry this work is not poetry
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Godisreal21

Pro

I have said again, with other source, there is no need for notation of rhythm. It expresses emotion and feelings towards fruit, making it poetry. I will give another definition on the next round if it pleases my opponent.
Debate Round No. 3
shakuntala

Con

so in conclusion
con gave a definition of poetry which included the notion of rhythm
as this work has no rhythm
then by cons own definition this work is not poetry
thus i must win the debate
con says
"I have said again, with other source, there is no need for notation of rhythm. It expresses emotion and feelings towards fruit, making it poetry. I will give another definition on the next round if it pleases my opponent"

con here is being disingenuous when one definition he gives is found to not suit his purpose he then goes and finds a definition that dose suit his purpose

in the opening argument the first definition con gives contains the notion of rhythm
being the first of his definitions we can assume that it was considered to be his mt important definition
as stated above this definition of con infact proves that this work is not poetry
thus i must win the debate

as a corollary
though as the finale round one cant bring in new material

i will just say this
cons second definition
as he says
"I have said again, with other source, there is no need for notation of rhythm. It expresses emotion and feelings towards fruit, making it poetry. I will give another definition on the next round if it pleases my opponent"

makes no distinction between poetry and prose

ie "It expresses emotion and feelings towards fruit, making it poetry."
this could apply to prose
thus this 2nd definition is meaningless as it does not distinguish poetry from prose
Godisreal21

Pro

Godisreal21 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by shakuntala 2 years ago
shakuntala
and further
it is said
it is said
"High school students turn out this sort of drivel in English class."
all free verse poetry from Whitman to today could have been written by High school students as free verse poetry takes no talent at all the only thing the High school students has not got is a network to rave and publish him/her in some coterie journal or book -ie what Pound did for Elliot
Posted by shakuntala 2 years ago
shakuntala
it is said
"High school students turn out this sort of drivel in English class."
the "fruit" poem is no better or worse than any free verse poem by any published renowned free verse poet
from Whitman to Elliot to William Carlos Williams to Ginsberg thru to today
Posted by Harold_Lloyd 2 years ago
Harold_Lloyd
It can be bad poetry and still be poetry.

This work is an example of that

High school students turn out this sort of drivel in English class.
Posted by shakuntala 2 years ago
shakuntala
you say poem in prose form
\but
this work does not meet cons definition of poetry

"writing that formulates a concentrated imaginative awareness of experience in language chosen and arranged to create a specific emotional response through meaning, sound, and rhythm "

as the work has no rhythm
thus it is not poetry
Posted by Bubbagump282 2 years ago
Bubbagump282
The poem is in prose form.
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