Can we believe the bible?
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1. As far as hate goes, there are numerous examples of it throughout the bible, for example the condemnation of homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
2. Murder is everywhere in the bible, not only on a petty, individual scale:
"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
But also, on a mass scale:
"This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)"
3. Ignorance comes in many forms in the bible, but more specifically to science, for instance the story of Noah's Ark which is pragmatically impossible. And even if you take a story like that as allegorical just the very premise that an all powerful being created the universe in 6 days is entirely unsupported and absurd.
So if our interest as a race is survival and a high quality of life, subscribing to the horrific ideas of the bible is not a good plan and therefore we can't believe in it, at least not justifiably .
As for this wind analogy, it is completely ridiculous. The "wind" you feel when you walk outside in the morning is oxygen (at least I hope so), a scientifically well understood gas, we know where it comes from, and why it is there (air currents). The bible, however, is an ancient text written by iron age peasants who were extremely ignorant to science and the world. The claims made in the bible are unsupported by any evidence whatsoever,as is the existence of God. So how can you compare the wind which we know exists to the bible which is just simply a book? Also not being able to "see" wind with the naked eye doesn't mean it's existence isn't provable, atoms, cells, bacteria are all things we cannot see with the naked eye and are proven to exist.
Also, you can literally make that argument about ANYTHING by just replacing the subject of the sentence with something else, here let me modify your previous post:
"When you walk outside in the morning and you feel the GAMMA RAYS hit your face but you don't see it you never seem to think about the fact that you feel it or you know it's real but yet you can't see it or nor do you have physical proof that you can hold in your hand and 100% prove that it is GAMMA RAYS. But why when you read or even listen to anything about the GOOSEBUMPS BOOK you never think about how true it is. No you were not there when the events happened and you cannot see them with your own eyes. There is the book, the words that R.L.STINE spoke himself are there ready for u to hold in your hand and touch and understand and study. So why when you feel the wind you believe it is true and you can feel it, but when you read or listen to something in or about the GOOSEBUMPS BOOK you do not believe it. Yet there is EVIDENCE; even physical that it is true and real. YOU CAN EVEN HOLD IT IN YOUR HAND AND READ IT AND STUDY IT. Why?"
That argument with my words subbed in is every bit as valid as your previous one. What makes the bible special? NOTHING, just because the book that says it's right and it's god's word doesn't mean that it actually is. With your logic I could write a book saying that it is the word God god that we must all kill ourselves, and you would have to do it. Saying you're right doesn't make you right, so no, "feeling it" isn't good enough to make one believe in the bible.
You quoted Exodus 21:15. One of God's ten commandments is to honor thy father and mother. Another one of the ten commandments is "Tho shalt not murder." So if you murder your father and mother which is not honoring them then you shall be put to death. That is not murder, it is punishment. Also in the bible God talks about how having sexual relations with a person of the same sex is wrong. So if you break that law he has given you on purpose, then you need to be put to death. And God says that he loves everyone even the homosexuals but he hates the sins he commits. It is not hate. They are disobeying God's commandments. And there is a verse in the bible that talks about how anything is possible through God. God commanded Noah to build the ark and through God's power, Noah created the ark.
Murder is defined as premeditated killing of one human being by another. You have done a great job at pointing out one of the many glaring contradictions in the bible, because one of the commandments is not to kill, yet as "punishment" for other more petty commandments being broken you are permitted to kill. Seems a little messed up doesn't it? And don't tell me that it is just simply punishment, what so if I go and kill a child because he/she looked at me funny then it's not murder right? It's just punishment isn't it? I mean the kid looked at me in a way in which I did not like so it's his own fault. NO, god tells you to never engage in premeditated killing but then permits you to do it, which is completely inconsistent.
Well obviously God doesn't love the homosexuals, if he is making it his command that what they are doing is a sin and they will be sentenced to hell where they will burn and die and suffer in pain for all of eternity, that doesn't sound like love to me. Also if God created everyone and since homosexuality is something you are born with, why bother to create them in the first place? If they are committing some horrible sin why create them in the first place? Seems pretty sick and sadistic to me, but that's God for you.
Just saying that "Noah created the ark." doesn't prove anything. Something like that is impossible and you can't convince anyone in their right mind it happened just because "anything is possible through God", well that means nothing because there is no evidence for God's existence in the first place, so how can I trust that? Provide me with evidence for God (which is impossible) before you start using his omnipotence as an argument for which something happened.
When God comes at the end and a trumpet sounds God says every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is lord, Christ the savior.
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Secondly, you use the fact that rules exist as a proof for good which makes no sense at all. "God's rules" did have a creator, and it was people that made them up. There has been thousands of gods throughout human history, what makes yours special? You could replace your christian god with Allah and be referencing the Quran in your arguments and everything you have been saying would be equally valid.
Also no, I don't believe we were created by monkeys. That is not evolution that is a complete straw-man. Evolution is a scientific fact so it is already proven that all of this can come about without a god, and I suggest you learn about it because you decide to talk about it. There is no material evidence for god and there's plenty for evolution.
I'll shortly address the rest of your stupid claims:
"And you believe in hell but not in heaven, who created hell then?"
I'm not sure where you got that from I never once said or even hinted at that, I don't believe in either heaven or hell.
"And it is true, whether you believe it or not, everything is possible through God"
"Who do you think told Noah to build the ark? How did all the animals and people survive it?"
Again, we're working under the assumption that god exists which there's zero evidence of. Even so, the story of Noah's ark isn't even meant to be taken literally, it's an allegory. But even if you did take it literally, it's completely impossible. Get owned
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