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Longhorn4Life929
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Capitalism is Bad for Society

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Started: 3/8/2008 Category: News
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Longhorn4Life929

Pro

*Please make this a legit debate*

1. Broad Statement: Capitalism disregards all factors of life because it's a system that only cares about economy and not the values of life for people.
2. Capitalism is oppressive and disregards the poor. The poor can't sell or make any profit thus they are in a vicious cycle of being oppressed. They can't make any money to pay off for food or other vital expenses. Meszcuros in his book, Toward a Critical Theory, argues that 1/4 of the world's popluation die of hunger caused by capitalism.
3. Capitalism causes wars so they can maximize their economy. This war is bad because it causes a series of colonialism which leads to a rather uncomfortable state in the future. I.E. Africa. They are infested with problems due to a lack of infrastructure which never developed because they were colonized and didn't know how to control their people after being let go of colonialism.
4. Capitalism destroys the enviornment. It plunders resources to maximize profit. This is why the environment is bad today. On top of things, capitalists don't even care about the resources and Trainer in TOWARDS A STABLE ECONOMY argues that the world will end in 2040 because Capitalism plunders the world for resources and better yet, the capitalists don't think about the future because they only care about what to do with the money now.
5. This may sound contradictory but, Capitalism can't be broken down. It's the best system currently for the world. Then you may wonder why i spent the last 10 minutes arguing why capitalism is bad. Capitalism can't be escaped, look to Lenin and Russia, it only destroys people's value of life even more. But we must attempt to make Capitalism better. Adrian Johnston in his book The Cynic's Fetish: Slavoj Žižek and the Dynamics of Belief, of page 93-94 argues that an academic discourse of criticizing capitalism is the best solution to fixing the problems that capitalism is making. He argues that any academic discourse like this little paragraph or two that im writing now, will spread to people to realize and fix capitalism. I.E. if there's a poor person in the street, help him. If we go to war, raise your fist, protest and say no. Recycle, care about global warming, go and be a tree hugger, but realize that we must take an action to better Capitalism because the current system of capitalism ony allows problems to go on.
Daxitarian

Con

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Debate Round No. 1
Longhorn4Life929

Pro

Although my opponent didn't post an arguement, i would like you guys to know, that despite if you vote for me or not, really consider helping the unprivelaged next time. I.E. my example of poor people who are in a cycle of oppression due to the fact that they can't get jobs or make profits. This wasn't just a debate, it was a way for me to tell people to actually ignite people to help. DISCLAIMER: This WAS a sarcastic debate. Capitalism isn't really bad, but i want people to make initiatives to i.e. helping the poor or improving the environment. Capitalism is bad in that case, but im not a socialist advocate or some other crazy communist advocate or anything. Seriously think about how to help people or your surroundings next time. And MOST LIKELY, Daxitarain will probably post an arguement after me because i finally explained my arguement but i honestly don't care. Like i said, this is only an academic discourse in sparking for a better change in the world.
Daxitarian

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Debate Round No. 2
Longhorn4Life929

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Daxitarian

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by JamesIsrael 9 years ago
JamesIsrael
It's ridiculous to say that "all capitalist states" are not oppressive and are better at human rights. Funny, I could probably name more than four dozen nation states that are strong advocates of capitalism, yet still maintain poor human rights and democratic records:

Almost all African states officially embrace capitalism as their ideal economic system. Yet, when you look at the progress of Africa, it has actually backfired in the past 30 years. Many Asian and South American states like Chile, Colombia, Philipines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nepal, Thailand, and many many more all embrace capitalism and accomodate some sort of capitalist economic system. However, none of them have kept up their promise on maintaining good human rights records, whether it be the freedom of religious affiliation, right to basic living necessities like shelter and food, protection from ethnic/racial violence, right to live and prosper in an environment free of civil violence, right to vote, and freedom to participate in the political process for every member of the society. All in all, capitalism does not automatically equate "human rights." More importantly, it must be fully implemented by good governance and wise government policies.

In fact, speaking of a few capitalist states that did succeed recently in offering some human rights: Taiwan, a prosperous capitalist state that remained a one-party dictatorship until 2000; Singapore, a world-class example of successful capitalism, but still remains a one-party authoritarian state up to this day; Saudi Arabia, a wealthy capitalist state that unfortunately implements oppressive gender policies on its female population, just to name a few.

Besides, what's even more confusing about this "capitalism equals human rights" hogwash is that different states have very different interpretations of what "human rights" mean, according to their own cultural and historical customs.
Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
Con never makes an argument, how can anyone vote for him.... -.-
Posted by Longhorn4Life929 9 years ago
Longhorn4Life929
comment about your concern or your anger or your love. I'll try to respond as best as i can.
Posted by Longhorn4Life929 9 years ago
Longhorn4Life929
sorry title is sorta misleading...I should edit it but i don't know how.
Posted by Vi_Veri 9 years ago
Vi_Veri
Exactly, Longhorn :) Finally someone who gets the picture.
Posted by Longhorn4Life929 9 years ago
Longhorn4Life929
exactly VI Veri. I agree with that claim. Which is why in the end, i don't advocate a breakdown of capitalism and argue to rather "better the system of Capitalism" to perfection rather than socialism or any other type of economic system.
Posted by Vi_Veri 9 years ago
Vi_Veri
All capitalistic states are far better with human rights than any socialist or communist state. I'd like a show of which socialist or communist state has more human rights than a state that has a close to pure capitalistic government.
Posted by Longhorn4Life929 9 years ago
Longhorn4Life929
Nations are capitalists. Im not saying Black and white terms. But nearly all if not most lean towards Capitalism then socialism or Communism. 2. Im saying Capitalism is bad right now but there's a chance we can make capitalism better. Yes capitalism is just capitalism but Governments make capitalism as a religion and disregard all factors to life. Like i said, they only care about the money. We need to change this perspective. We are all puppets to the capitalist system. Im saying that, even though we're puppets to the system, we can change capitalism into a better economic system and that we have the power to do that and we should do that
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
Kleptin
What are you arguing here? There aren't any pure capitalist nations to my knowledge...The U.S. itself has a mixed economy.

It's impossible to make capitalism *better*. Capitalism is just Capitalism. It's about how much of it you incorporate into reality.
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