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dawndawndawndawn
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Capitalism is better than Communism

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Started: 10/6/2013 Category: Economics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FreedomFighter91

Pro

Communism is shown scientifically to be too inefficient to meet its supposed objectives of supplying every member of society with basic "needs." Capitalism provides the greatest utility to society out of any other economic system ever invented.
dawndawndawndawn

Con

Capitalism is similar to sending a bunch of kids onto a playground and saying that the one who beat up the most other kids and took their lunches is the best kid
Debate Round No. 1
FreedomFighter91

Pro

I disagree. Capitalism is the economic system in which the individuals and firms can freely maximize their utility given their current resource constraints. The free market allows individual freedom to choose what is best for the individual. Also, capitalism increased the standard of living through profit incentives that generation innovation. Socialism, on the other hand, is an economic system that results in all of society, except the government, to live in utter poverty because the system lacks a pricing structure which causes the entire economy to collapse.
dawndawndawndawn

Con

Capitalism is the economic system in which the individuals and firms ( FIRMS ARE NOT ENTITIES. YOU WOULD DO BETTER TO SAY, "INDIVIDUALS AND/OR GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS") can freely maximize their utility ( SURELY, YOU MEAN "PROFIT", NOT, "UTILITY") given their current resource constraints. THE SYSTEM IS NOT AS CONSTRAINED BY RESOURCES AS IT IS BY BUYERS The free market allows individual freedom to choose what is best for the individual. NO. IT DOES NOT. THE FREE MARKET MEANS THAT YOU CAN SELL IF SOMEONE WILL BUY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHOOSING SELF-THINGS THAT ARE BEST FOR YOU- YOU, PERSONALLY . Also, capitalism increased the standard of living FOR ONLY SOME PEOPLE through profit incentives that generation (GENERATE) innovation. INNOVATION IS DRIVEN BY NEED AND, IF OR WHEN THAT NEED IS FULFILLED, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TAKEN TO THE FREE MARKET. THE ONE DOES IN NO WAY ENSURE THE OTHER. Socialism, WHY ARE YOU USING THE TERM "SOCIALISM" RATHER THAN THE WORD "COMMUNISM" WHICH IS THE WORD WITH WHICH YOU STARTED? on the other hand, is an economic system that results in all of society, except the government, to live in utter poverty because the system lacks a pricing structure which causes the entire economy to collapse.
Debate Round No. 2
FreedomFighter91

Pro

Your responses are a representation of your lack of understanding of the free market. Firms are absolutely entities. They have their own limited resources and rational incentives as agents in the free enterprise. Also, utility is a very general term. In economics, it means total satisfaction; firms can gain satisfaction from profits and therefore profits can fit under utility. Also, consumers have the choice to choose which products firms are offering. That is the essence of freedom. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Lastly, capitalism increases the standard of living for everyone. A hundred years ago, even the richest people lacked cars and air conditioning. Today, even people in the low class have some access to air conditioning and cars, even if they are used. Also, middle class families live better than rich families did 30 years ago with new plasma tvs, better cars, and especially cell phones such as the iphone and android. All thanks to capitalism.
dawndawndawndawn

Con

Your responses are a representation of your lack of understanding of the free market. Firms are absolutely entities.
I SHALL CORRECT MYSELF. "INDIVIDUALS" REFERS TO PERSONS. FIRMS ARE, INDEED, ENTITIES BUT ARE NOT PERSONS. THEY DO NOT BLEED, BEAR YOUNG OR GET SENT TO WAR. PERSON MAKE THEMSELVES INTO ENTITIES IN ORDER TO LIMIT FINANCIAL RUIN. They have their own limited resources RESOURCES ARE NOT LIMITED UNDER MANY CIRCUMSTANCES. SO, TO STATE IT AS A UNIVERSAL TRUTH IS NOT WORTH IT. and rational incentives as agents in the free enterprise THE INCENTIVE IS PROFIT. IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF OTHER INCENTIVES, I'D LIKE TO READ IT. Also, utility is a very general term. In economics, it means total satisfaction; NO. IT'S DOES NOT. firms can gain satisfaction from profits NO. PEOPLE IN FIRMS MIGHT GAIN SATISFACTION FROM PROFIT. FIRMS HAVE NO EMOTIONS. FIRMS GAIN PROFIT and therefore profits can fit under utility. NO. UTILITIES ARE UTILIZED FOR PROFIT. UTILITIES ARE NOT THE END RESULT. Also, consumers have the choice to choose which products firms are offering. That is the essence of freedom. THAT IS NOT THE ESSENCE OF FREEDOM. THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE FREE MARKET. THE ESSENCE OF FREEDOM IS TO NOT BOW TO A MONARCH. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Lastly, capitalism increases the standard of living for everyone. NO. IT DOES NOT. A hundred years ago, even the richest people lacked cars and air conditioning. THAT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH CAPITALISM. THOSE THINGS DID NOT EXIST. Today, even people in the low class have some access to air conditioning and cars, even if they are used. NO. MANY POOR PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD CARS OR AC. AND, THAT HAS TO DO WITH INNOVATION. NOT WITH THE MARKET. PEOPLE WHO INNOVATE WANT COMFORT BEFORE THEY CONSIDER PROFIT. Also, middle class families live better than rich families did 30 years ago with new plasma tvs, better cars, and especially cell phones such as the iphone and android. All thanks to capitalism. THAT IS NOT DUE TO CAPITALISM. THAT IS DUE TO TECHNOLOGY.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dawndawndawndawn 3 years ago
dawndawndawndawn
Haxis. make a debate. Let's prove this thing
Posted by Haxis288 3 years ago
Haxis288
I agree with communism! Communism is liberation of the workers oppression
Posted by dawndawndawndawn 3 years ago
dawndawndawndawn
Art, paint me a new picture. Yours has no birthcontrol in it, no farmers and only one rich kid
Posted by Artur 3 years ago
Artur
@con

comunism is like:

similar to sending a bunch of kids onto a playground and saying that force the one who has something that others have no, to share it with you.
Posted by oppai_lover666 3 years ago
oppai_lover666
actually never mind, somebody took it as I typed out that comment :p Favoriting and looking forward to a good round!
Posted by oppai_lover666 3 years ago
oppai_lover666
I may take this debate on if nobody does so before I finish my research. Sounds like it could be an interesting topic. Could you give some more info on how you want the rounds structured?
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