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Carly Fiorina would make a better president than all other candidates.

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Started: 3/25/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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I will be arguing in favor of Fiorina, the Con can choose any candidate from either the Republican or Democratic running (current or dropped).

First round will be for acceptance and posing of candidate.
Second round will be used for initial arguments and presentation of sources in favor of the arguments.
Third & fourth round will be for rebuttals.
Fifth round will be for concluding statements.

Thank you, and best of luck to the Con!


I will be arguing for Donald Trump
Debate Round No. 1


Carly Fiorina is one of the most accomplished CEO's to date, being the first woman to become the CEO of a Fortune 20 company, she was extremely successful in her early life at AT&T as a management trainee. Quickly moving throughout the ranks to become one of AT&T's shining stars and person pushing AT&T into new standings. Carly spearheaded the effort to lead Lucient, AT&T's Western Electrics and Bell Labs division spin off, and achieved one of the highest IPO's IN US history, at $3 billion. Carly while at HP, brought the company into the 21st century with a charitable program called "Technology for Teaching", helping to bridge the technological gap in impoverished countries. She also streamlined the sales staff with increased standards on sales performance, as well as the overall product line consolidating several products to remove overlap. (1) Carly had a number of goals at HP, namely being strategic long-term outlook, cost-cutting and sales development. She met and exceeded these goals while at HP. (2)

She has taken hard positions on key issues and has plans to back those positions. (3) She has plans to base our government spending on a zero base budget to find where our tax dollars are going and cut what is necessary or shrink the allocation based on demand. This will allow a number of bloated government departments to slim them down to a realistic sum. She opposes the Dodd-Frank Act recognizing that it supports large banks becoming larger and making the barrier of entry to the market higher.

Carly has taken hard stances that may be unpopular to some however she was not bending her beliefs for a vote. This is what makes a person great and allows you to see there character. I do not see this open blatant honesty in any other candidate other than Bernie Sanders. The test of a political character is what they will not do for a vote.



Thank you pro for your argument!

Now onto my own points:

1. Donald Trump's US-China Trade Reforms Policies will be beneficial to our nation

The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals:

(1) 1. Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.

2. Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.

3. Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.

4. Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.

The plan will strenghthen our economy by bringing jobs from China and into America. Thats what Donald Trump will do and give Americans their jobs.

#2. Donald will make sure our veterans are well cared for

(2)The Trump Plan Will:

1. Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.

2. Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members’ post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.

3.Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.

We must care for the veterans and that is the goal of the Trump Administration

#3. Lower Cost of Healthcare

(3) Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.

2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.

4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.

7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

We must lower the price of health care to prevent the poor from slipping through the cracks!

Debate Round No. 2


Con thank you for the argument!
Trump is an aggressive candidate to say the least, now with an aggressive candidate you will have high amounts of opposition in the House of Representatives as well as Congress. To be a good president you need not only have plans of grandeur but have the capacity and ability to uphold those plans. Donald Trump has defined his plans a bit more clearly as of late, however the implementation is still extremely questionable.

Rebuttal 1

If China is declared a currency manipulator by the United States, China can simply rebuttal by calling upon our debts. There is no bargaining table that China does not have ownership of, by owning 21% of our public debts they hold the highest percentage of debts for the United States. (1) Being the majority shareholder Mr. Trump would be wise to understand that this gives you quite a bit of power.

The idea of China being a currency manipulator is not only senseless in voicing, it is also an erroneous claim. The Chinese are not manipulating their currency, if China has manipulated its currency through the monetary policy set forth then the EU has also done the same with their currency through the same monetary policies. For some reason the platform Mr. Trump is positioning himself on is a very thin one, not having sufficient depth in the knowledge of monetary policy or global trade. "Movements in the nominal Yuan exchange rate have almost no long-term impact on global flows of exports and imports or on broader considerations such as average wages. The exchange rate that matters for trade flows is the real exchange rate, i.e.., the nominal exchange rate adjusted for local-currency prices in both countries." (2) Take a page from history with the U.S., Japanese trade deficit, from 1970 to 1995 the deficit rose from $1.2 billion to $59.1 billion. In the same turn the dollar depreciated against the Yuan from 2004 to 2014, by 25%. Over that decade the trade deficit rose from $161.9 billion to $342.6 billion.

Rebuttal 2

There is not a way to force the Chinese arm in intellectual property dealings. Mr. Trump plans to make this demand through military force stating: He said he would bolster the US military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism. "These actions will discourage Chinese adventurism that imperils American interests in Asia and shows our strength as we begin renegotiating our trading relationship with China." (3) A show of military force is not going to get us anywhere in diplomatic negotiations.

Rebuttal 3

China is not the only place labor is outsourced to, Mexico, Brazil, India and a number of additional countries are big buyers in the business of American jobs. Reviving American manufacturing is a beautiful idea, in practice it will be cut down as soon as it starts. You can not simply revive an industry that has been suffering for years, not only is the revival improbable, but assuming that the manufacturing industry is revived who is to take the jobs? The American unemployment is at 4.9% as of February 2016. (4)

Rebuttal 4

Repealing Obamacare is another of Mr. Trumps plans that will sit on a bill and never leave that bill with anything more than a no as the answer. The mandate for each person to purchase health care or have health care is the only thing keeping the poor from slipping through the cracks.

I look forward to the Con's rebuttals!



Forever23 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


Con forfeited previous round, I will allow for posting in the next section for her rebuttal.


Sorry, I have like no time to debate. Vote pro
Debate Round No. 4


Vote tie. We will redo this debate!
Debate Round No. 5
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