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Jjjohn
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Cars with round wheels move more easily on road compared to cars with square wheels.

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Started: 6/7/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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cosecant

Pro

The car with round wheels has proved it's point, dear opponent.
Jjjohn

Con

It depends on the type of road. easily means "without difficulty or effort.". a flat road is just one of many possible roads. a round wheel on a bumpy road may not always be best.

http://mathtourist.blogspot.com...

"A square wheel can roll smoothly, keeping its axle moving in a straight line and at a constant velocity, if it travels over evenly spaced bumps of just the right shape. This special shape is called an inverted catenary."
Debate Round No. 1
cosecant

Pro

=>"It depends on the type of road. easily means "without difficulty or effort.". a flat road is just one of many possible roads. a round wheel on a bumpy road may not always be best."
=>Road in this case means a typical flat road as most people would visualise when this word is mentioned.As you put it, "a flat road is just one of many possible roads" shows what i want to say.
Building on this premise, I assert that a car with round wheels moves with less difficulty or effort (as you put it) on road compared to a car with square wheels.
"a round wheel on a bumpy road may not always be best." Yes, i completely agree but will a car with square wheels do the job?
=>"A square wheel can roll smoothly, keeping its axle moving in a straight line and at a constant velocity, if it travels over evenly spaced bumps of just the right shape. This special shape is called an inverted catenary." Yes it is completely true but considering the type of road i intend, i don't accept this. Secondly, the road you propose requires 1) bumps and 2) they must be correctly spaced. I thank you for your attention.
Jjjohn

Con

"Road in this case means a typical flat road as most people would visualise when this word is mentioned.As you put it, "a flat road is just one of many possible roads" shows what i want to say."

that was not stated in the original challenge, but it's a reasonable clarification.

"Yes, i completely agree but will a car with square wheels do the job?"

the premise was tested on an episode of myth busters. They found that a car with square wheels, when it reached a particular speed, had a ride that was not nearly as difficult as one would've imagined. Once they hit their target speed, vibration and shocks to the suspension decreased significantly. I submit that this is a matter of engineering and that given sufficient resources a car can be designed with square wheels and give a similar if not superior ride compared to a car with round wheels.

https://www.youtube.com...

"Yes it is completely true but considering the type of road i intend, i don't accept this. Secondly, the road you propose requires 1) bumps and 2) they must be correctly spaced. I thank you for your attention."

your objections are reasonable, however this objection again seems like a matter of engineering. Flat roads that are not constructed entered correctly wind up with potholes over which round wheels to not move easily.
Debate Round No. 2
cosecant

Pro

To sum up i will say some simple words.

1)You agreed with my definition of road. Based on this, we must compare between the two.

2)You say that cars with square wheel move better on road. If so, why do the 200+ countries, their engineers and the opposition prefer with an incredible majority cars with round wheels.

3)If you oppose my view, you are opposing the world's view.

With those sweet words i leave you and we hope to meet again..... .
Jjjohn

Con

I thank my opponent for the debate.

I reiterate that square wheels are not an inferior technology, but an undeveloped one whose time is now! Round wheels have traditionally been considered more efficient, but with advances in technology, it is becoming obvious that square wheels have more potential than the archaic circular options.

I urge the assembled to vote with the future, not the past!

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"Square Wheel Car Propels Itself by Shifting Weight - Possible MEMS Locomotion "

"The first prototype consisted of a car with 4 square wheels, in the general configuration of a typical car, with all 4 wheels mechanically connected together so they must all turn in unison. Furthermore, the rotational orientation of the wheels are sequentially off-set from one wheel to the next by 22.5" (" of 90"), moving around the vehicle in a CW or CCW direction as viewed from above.

"For use in micro-machines or MEMS applications, one of the key benefits is that the motor and gearing moving the shifting weight is all in a plane parallel to the motion surface. No right angle gearboxes are required."

http://www.prweb.com...
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Final Rebuttal to your arguments:

"2)You say that cars with square wheel move better on road. If so, why do the 200+ countries, their engineers and the opposition prefer with an incredible majority cars with round wheels."

As I pointed out, square wheels are not currently in use because the technology has yet to be developed. Even now, there are efforts to explore this exciting advancement in technology.

"Could square wheels give you a better ride? One new project on Kickstarter is looking to fund the manufacture of sets of weirdly shaped wheels for skateboards. "

http://www.popsci.com...

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"3)If you oppose my view, you are opposing the world's view."

This is an "argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number") - thanks wikipedia!.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by reglac111 2 years ago
reglac111
Con is going to win based on they actually want to win this
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