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maxprimo7
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imabench
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Cat are the best hunters

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after 2 votes the winner is...
imabench
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/27/2011 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,216 times Debate No: 19518
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maxprimo7

Pro

I believe that felines in nature are the best pound for pound hunters. Your animal of choice must be a land animal. It must be either Carnivorous or omnivorous. This animal must be in it's natural state (meaning no tools). They will be debated as as only one of that animal, no flocks or herds. Subspecies will only be specified if necessary. Both of the animal will be debated as hunters, then we will decide who would win in a fight. We also need to specify where this takes place. The animals we choose are adult males. Round one acceptance.

I Represent team tiger
Thank you
imabench

Con

I choose the Tyrannosaurus Rex. It is a carnivorous land animal that was notorious for being a supreme hunter when they existed 65 million years ago, I will be arguing that they are the best hunters.

Team = T. Rex.

Pro may choose the location and may now state their case....
Debate Round No. 1
maxprimo7

Pro

Thank you for participating

This one animal is what you will stick by for this debate
In my opening statement I said "Felines in nature are the best POUND FOR POUND hunters" (pound for pound is intentionally capitalised and should not be counted against me) which means that I get to multiply my data by how many times heavier the T Rex is than the Tiger. The average Tyrannosaurus
Rex weighed an average of six tons http://www.enchantedlearning.com...
while some Tigers average At 550 pounds
http://en.allexperts.com...
12000 divided by 550 equals approximately 21
this means that some of my data will be multiplied by 21
Thank you

The average Tiger can jump 12 feet high http://news.nationalgeographic.com...
but in this case the tiger can jump 252 feet high (12 times 21). The T Rex is on average 20 feet high http://animals.nationalgeographic.com...

A tiger can reach speeds of up to 45 Miles per hour
http://www.ehow.com...
While a T Rex Runs at a top speed of 25 miles per hour
http://www.unmuseum.org...

Tigers like all cats have superb night vision and can hunt in any weather Including snow

Tigers are able to pounce and use all four limbs and claws in a fight.

Sorry about having such a short argument. It's my first debate.
Thank you
imabench

Con

I agree that the T Rex weighs about 6 tons and that the average adult male tiger weighs about 550 lbs and that the ratio is about 21:1, however you cannot compare the two solely by their weight. Consider their heights,

T Rex = 40 feet
Tiger = 3 feet
This ratio is about 13:1

http://www.edu.pe.ca...
http://www.enchantedlearning.com...

T Rex hunted primarily Triceratops,
Weight of prey = 9 tons
Tigers hunt primarily Buffalo when in packs
Weight of prey = 1 ton

http://www.edu.pe.ca...
http://www.enchantedlearning.com...

T Rex hunted alone but tigers hunt in packs which allows them to take down larger prey, alone though they might not be so successful,

http://www.helium.com...

If outnumbered then tigers wouldnt stand a chance, and there is evidence to prove this,
(see video at top, you may have seen it before)

Tigers have few enemies but one of them, humans, have pushed many species of tigers towards extinction. This imply's that even though the Tiger is a superior hunter they are still inferior to humans. T Rex's on the other hand were wiped out because of a catastrophic meteor strike on the Earth and at the time they had no real enemies to threaten their existence (for those who have seen King Kong, no REAL enemies threatened the existence of the T Rex).

http://www.helium.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Also consider the fear factor. If a human was cornered by a tiger in the wild they would be terrified, but if (theoretically) a human was cornered by a T Rex then they would be losing their mind out of fear.

Consider what it takes to bring down each of these predators. Tigers can be taken down with a well placed rifle round to the head, a T Rex though wont go down unless you had something close to the power of a missile launcher.

Ill end here but I ask the Pro to select a specific example of a Tiger to compare to the T Rex for the sake of better comparisons.....
Debate Round No. 2
maxprimo7

Pro

Thank you for providing such a splendid rebuttal.
What I meant by pound for pound is that for it's weight it is a vicious predator. I meant that we should have treated each animal as if they weigh the same. If you kept the proportions of a tiger but had grown it to a weight of 6 Tons it would be twenty one times stronger and taller Or if you shrunk a T Rex so that it Is only 550 pounds it is twenty one times shorter and weaker. Pound for pound an Ant is stronger than a Triceratops. That would mean that a Tiger would be able to hunt things twenty one or thirteen times larger than a buffalo. And remember even at regular size Tigers are faster than a Tyrannosaurus Rex (references are mentioned in the the previous round).

Tigers have no natural enemies because in nature if a Human (In the rules I say no tools) is attacked by a tiger the tiger would kill the Human.

"T Rex hunted alone but tigers hunt in packs which allows them to take down larger prey, alone though they might not be so successful"
involving this sentence, something I noticed in the reference site http://www.helium.com...... it actually says that Tigers are solitary hunters instead of what you said . I am sorry to correct you but you should carefully look over your reference sites

"Also consider the fear factor. If a human was cornered by a tiger in the wild they would be terrified, but if (theoretically) a human was cornered by a T Rex then they would be losing their mind out of fear."
I know what you said was hypothetical but I would like to correct you. First of all a Tiger prefers to attack from behind
http://en.wikipedia.org...
(I find wikipedia reliable when looking up phenomena) So the human would not have time to think. Remember we are dealing with a 40 foot Tiger (pound for pound) so the fear factor would be the same.

I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by "I ask the Pro to select a specific example of a Tiger" Please specify

thank you
imabench

Con

OHHHHHH Ok i see what you mean now....

As for the Humans having no tools argument, I would argue that Humans in nature always do hunt with tools (I never have seen someone go duck hunting with their bare hands) but for the sake of the debate I will let this go.

As for the extinction factor though it still stands that even though a Tiger is a vicious predator like you claim their numbers are still dwindling because of loss of habitat, diseases, lack of food, human expansion, etc. and I was trying to use that argument to imply that Tigers are not the best hunters because if they were then their numbers would be growing, not shrinking.

Tigers hunt alone
http://www.englishdaily626.com...
http://www.miamisci.org...
http://www.mnzoo.com...
http://nationalzoo.si.edu...

That last one shows a little bit of interesting information, it claims that

"Catching a meal is not easy; a tiger is successful only once in ten to 20 hunts."

How could a Tiger be the best hunter ever seen if their success rate for hunting is between 5% to 10%?

A 40 foot Tiger vs a Full grown Adult T Rex at about 40 feet would be the same fear factor if you look at it height wise. However you must take into account the teeth you can see in a T Rex (like in King Kong), Hollywood movies that glorify T-Rex's over Tigers, Giant Reptile compared to a Giant Mammal, etc. I concede that heigh wise they would be just as fierce however it is not just height of a predator that sparks fear in people

(as for the tigers stalk from behind, I did not know that and I found that to be a really interesting fact. I was using the cornered thing only to show how fear of facing a T Rex would be larger than a Tiger, not as an actual situation)

As for a specific example of A Tiger, I apologize for my lack of clarity because I am asking about what species of Tiger you want to compare it to, there is the Indian Tiger, Siberian Tiger, Bengal Tiger, Sumatran Tiger, South China Tiger, etc.

I was just asking for a specific species of tiger so that I could research your choice more thoroughly. Again I apologize for my lack of clarity.
Debate Round No. 3
maxprimo7

Pro

maxprimo7 forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

I extend my arguments but still ask the Pro to give a specific species of tiger for comparison in the last round...
Debate Round No. 4
maxprimo7

Pro

maxprimo7 forfeited this round.
imabench

Con

Vote Con :)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by awesomeness 5 years ago
awesomeness
this is a pointless debate
Posted by 16kadams 5 years ago
16kadams
lol imabench
Posted by imabench 5 years ago
imabench
thats what im trying to specify mallet
Posted by themallet 5 years ago
themallet
Choose one animal only. I haven't heard of a tiger that can hunt on snow and in a warm place, say India? Or any other feline, for that matter. Try a vampire bat, a virus of many types of snake.
Posted by TheTruthAnalyst 5 years ago
TheTruthAnalyst
Dwight Schrute hiding in a snowman with a backpack full of snowballs = cold tiger.
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
Bears for the win.
Posted by 16kadams 5 years ago
16kadams
lol if you said tools I wold have said con and jumped to human with a 30-06 ultra mag semi automatic 5 round clip on a jeep with a side arm Springfield .45 15 round magazine. :)
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16kadams
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Reasons for voting decision: The FF helped hurt pros case. Also imabench proved that a T rex could slaughter anything. Also
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct goes to CON for the ff, and CON had better points overall >.<'