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Change is necessary to maintain a happy lifestyle

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/26/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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stropheum

Pro

This is another simple argument which clearly states one thing:

-->Any one person cannot live a happy life without change of any sort.
ex. Doing all the same things at the same time every day, talking to the same people(having the same conversations), thinking the same things, eating the same things, thus taking out any essence of unpredictability in their lives. This completely remove surprise of any kind, and any kind of stimulus that would excite them, utterly leaving them in a depressive rut. Good luck to whoever accepts this, should be fun.
repete21

Con

Since you did not clarify what happy was I will take the honor in stating that happy includes any/all of these definitions
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I will use a series of scenarios which will prove that one can be happy without change.

1- A person with a form of amnesia in which they think they do not remember anything before a certain traumatic event, and believe that they are living the date of the event every day could be "impulsively or obsessively quick to use or do something", which is one of the exact definitions of happy. They could also be "enjoying or characterized by well-being and contentment" another exact definition simply by enjoying the same things every day, completely oblivious to the fact they have been doing them over and over for a long period of time, and since you said they would do the same things every day there is no way that they could figure out that they were doing the same things over and over once they got into their rut.

2- Someone whose lifestyle consists of meeting new people and traveling isn't "changing" their lifestyle, just changing minor details in their life, and could easily be happy with this lifestyle, therefore being happy with your lifestyle without changing your lifestyle.
Debate Round No. 1
stropheum

Pro

Thanks, repete21, for accepting this challenge. I hope this will be as interesting as i expect it to be. Now let me analyze each part of your argument.

1:"A person...rut."

>>>1A: This is a very good point, although there are some flaws. This person who believes that they are living the same day, every day, cannot read the newspapers, watch the news, or any form of television for that matter, for not only will these things introduce a daily change, but if the person were to eventually notice these things, saying that they participated in these activities every day, they would become very upset, realizing how so much time has been lost in their eyes, thus making them unhappy.

>>>1B: Another thing, using the link you provided for the definitions of the word "happy", I will assume that you agree all of these definitions are true, and will provide another reason why this argument is flawed. The first definition in the link provided by you in the past argument is "favored by luck or fortune". I also took the liberty of location the definition of "amnesia" from http://dictionary.reference.com..., which reads "complete or partial loss of memory caused by brain injury, shock, etc.". One who has been a victim of traumas such as brain injury and shock are most certainly not favored by luck or fortune, and by the definition that you have provided me with, this person is most certainly not happy.

>>>1C: Also, this is flawed in that these people are being introduced to change of some sort. In their mind it's the same day, yes, which means that yesterday was a completely different day to them, so they could do many activities that are a change to what they did "yesterday", being the day before the amnesia began. Altogether this was a good scenario, with a couple fundamental flaws.

2: "Someone whose lifestyle...without changing your lifestyle."

>>>2A: This is again a good scenario, but also with fundamental flaws. True enough, this scenario would not introduce a lifestyle change, but the argument is that a person cannot live happily if all sorts of change are removed from their lives. Meeting new people and seeing new places is not a lifestyle change, but it is change, therefore their happiness is irrelevant to the argument at hand.

3: Based on these conclusions I have made about your arguments, I believe that my opening statement still stands firm. Good luck in the following rounds, repete21.
repete21

Con

In response to point 1A, no knowledge of the outside world is required to be happy, I know several people who are completely clueless to what is going on until someone tells them, it is completely possible, though unlikely, that someone have no knowledge of the world outside their life. The fact that it isn't viable argument though because the debate isn't about what is likely too happen, the scenarios only need to be possible.

In response to point 1B, I agree that someone with amnesia probably doesn't have the best of luck, but they don't have to meet ALL definitions of the word happy, only one, which I have shown to be possible.

In response to point 1C again the same logic used for 1A works for 1C, the person could have planned a full days events which never required them to leave the house, ie. cleaning, doing laundry, etc., it is easy to fill a day with things like this, and they can be repeated every day, there are also other things you could fill your day with which wouldn't require change, many people plan their days in such detail that if they have the same thing written down twice, they do it twice, and someone with amnesia could be completely oblivious to this.
Debate Round No. 2
stropheum

Pro

stropheum forfeited this round.
repete21

Con

You have failed to negate my scenario due to your lack of an argument, I believe that I have won this debate on those grounds.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by OpalescentUnicorn 8 years ago
OpalescentUnicorn
This debate reminds me of the book Everlost by Neil Shusterman, in which the afterlights (pretty much ghosts who live in a world between life and death) get stuck in ruts where they start doing the same thing repetitively every day. They aren't happy, it just feels comfortable and routinely, and hard to stop. These are the afterlights however who are ready to move on and get to the light at the end of the tunnel. Kind of a strange book, but it seems to really relate to this debate.
Posted by stropheum 8 years ago
stropheum
oh my mistake, i must not have sent the argument through. Oh well. I don't think that destroys my other arguments though haha. good luck.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Some forms of severe autism are quite similar to this... thus, the question for the hypothetical autistic person becomes whether or not they're happy as is. I think a person like that would be more happy with the predictability than with change. In fact, they might lead a DISfunctional life because of the change, not just be unhappy...
Posted by Korezaan 8 years ago
Korezaan
I agree.

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