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"Che" Guevara was an idealist of freedom

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Started: 2/8/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Budarg

Pro

Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a man that fought,with socialists ideals and armed forces, against the Cuban goverment. He represent justice, equality and respect.
Dill777

Con

Mr. "Che" Guevara was a man fighting for horrendous ideals, and a true killer. He may have fought against a bad government, but what replaced it was no better, if not worse. He executed and hated enemies of the state, along with, as a matter of fact, gays. He has been fashioned into a popular 'icon' among those who hate the establishment, when the truth is that he was against the freedom modern communists at least partially support.

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Debate Round No. 1
Budarg

Pro

Everyone that wants to topple a government, must do it with two main factors: people's support and with the force, he didn't have an army, he had a guerrilla, in which people can enlist if they wanted to. Although he hadn't have a lot of "soldiers", he had a lot of Cuban people that followed him that wanted to lay down Batista and that was the key factor.
To be sincere, in those times there were many homophobic ideas; a lot more than now a days; you can't blame some that had been taught that homosexuality is far from common understanding at that time.
He, in fact, wasn't communist, he was a socialist but when Guevara finally won the revolution and Fidel Castro reached the power, "Che" wanted Cuba to keep the revolution going to turn it into a socialist nation but that interferes with Castro's plans so he sent Guevara to Bolivia with just a pinch of soldiers were he was murdered.
Summarising, Ernesto Guevara didn't want the Cuban people to be treated like commoners but by citizens under a socialist nation.

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Dill777

Con

Che Guevara may have had the support of a large portion of the people, but that was only because they trusted that what would replace Batista's regime would be better. However they were betrayed, and a new regime that was even worse was put in place. Regardless of his extreme hatred for homosexuals, there was no justification for his executions of those against the state, he was a murderer plain and simple. Che was a 'Marxist' revolutionary, and he staunchly opposed freedom. He opposed religious freedom and free speech, he supported repression of new music, he had gays imprisoned, and he opposed free elections. As a matter of fact, he even was opposed to proper legal process. How exactly is he a representation of justice, equality, or respect? He was an individual who saw things in black and white, either you were for the revolution, or you were an enemy and you needed to be punished. Ernesto Guevara was no hero, he was no icon of freedom, he was a killer, and an executioner who served a totalitarian dictator.

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Debate Round No. 2
Budarg

Pro

Guevara didn't want Cuban people to be punished, he did what he thought it was good for Cuba. Do you really think Batista was better that the 60's Fidel Castro?. Of course Fidel didn't perform a good role as president but I can bet that it was better than Batista's government.
Guevara itself shows his opinion about guerrilla and his usage: "Why does the guerrilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable conclusion that the guerrilla fighter is a social reformer, that he takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery." So he has no intention to harm Cuban people but to help them.
He represents justice because he put an end to the tyrannical regime of Batista, he wanted equality to the Cuban people:
"If no coffee for everyone, no to anyone" and respect because nevertheless , he left his native country, Argentina , and put his hands on fire to free all Latin American people.

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Dill777

Con

Dill777 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Budarg

Pro

Budarg forfeited this round.
Dill777

Con

Guevara was a punisher and an executioner, absolutely. If you were against the state, you were a traitor, and you needed to die. Batista was bad, I would never say he was good, but Castro took it further. Castro put the people under an even worse state of life, so I guess technically i'd consider Batista "better". However I do not consider Batista to be good, not even in the slightest. Guevara was a violent man by nature, he would even record his executions in a diary of sorts. If I may quote his writings, "I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain which came out through his left temple". He also made mention of the fact that the man "moaned for a few moments" before he died. Sometimes later on in state prisons, Che would climb on top of a wall and smoke a cigar while lying on his back, watching the executions take place. This does not sounds like a just man, or an icon of freedom, to me.

Sometimes it takes evil to fight evil, that much is true. However we must prevent ourselves from idolizing murderers, such as Che. He may have ended a tyrant's reign, but that does not make him an idol of justice or equality. If a ravenous wolf kills another wolf who happened to be terrorizing the town, does that make the wolf a fighter for the people of the town and their sheep? It must be noted that Guevara was a killer, an executioner, and a man full of hatred. Regardless of your ideals, it would be wise not to idolize him.

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Debate Round No. 4
Budarg

Pro

Budarg forfeited this round.
Dill777

Con

My opponent has forfeited the last few rounds, as if he has given up. I would like for the viewrs of this debate to make note of that when they cast their votes, now I will end with a few final affirmations.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a man who has in modern times become an idol among socialists and liberals alike, however truth be told he was a cold-blooded and savage murderer. He hated those that opposed the government, and he hated individualism strongly. He was against freedoms that those who idolize him themselves hold dear, truly he was someone they would hate if they had to live under the government he supported.

Mr. "Che" was no icon of justice, equality, or freedom, he was a sociopathic and tyrannical executioner.

I would like to thank my opponent for the arguments he did put forth, and thank the voters for their time. I hope you consider this debate thoroughly, and make the right decision.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Chucknorris5799 2 years ago
Chucknorris5799
Che Guevara was a socialist terrorist who used guerilla attacks to terrorize and kill members of the Cuban army and government who may have just been doing their job. Anyone who would kill for political reasons should not be made into some sort of hero.
Posted by AFism 2 years ago
AFism
I agree! I just got through reading The episodes of the Cuban Revolutionary war. You should read it!
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