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Chicken or the Egg?

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YoungTurtleBear
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/1/2013 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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19debater19

Pro

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Of course, the chicken.

Here's the definition of chicken:
Chicken: A cowardly human who ducks out of something
Chicken: An animal raised for meat and feathers

Ok, now when the f*ck does a human lay eggs? It's not like Tony Romo (the guy who backed out of a good football challenge) goes to lay a dump, and looks down in the toilet and says "what the f*ck? Are those f*cking eggs?"

As we all know, an egg comes from a chicken. This has to happen:


And then this will happen:




My last argument, evolution, proves this. Birds evolved from two dinos "digging for treasure" in their summer home. Without protection. Nine months later, a chicken falls plop out of her butt. DUH.
YoungTurtleBear

Con

I accept this debate. As accepting, I am on the side of the egg coming first.

Here is a brief road map of Con round 1: Definition, attack opponents argument, bring new argument, and voting.

Definition
The Pro's definition of a chicken is not universal, so I will provide a definition that is a universal definition.
Chicken- a domesticated fowl, a subspecies of the Red Jungle fowl. As one of the most common and widespread domestic animals with a population of more than 24 billion in 2003, there are more chickens in the world than any other species of bird.
So, we are using the noun version of the word "chicken" And so, we both have the same idea of what a chicken is.

Egg- an oval or round object laid by a female bird, reptile, fish, or invertebrate, usually containing a developing embryo. The eggs of birds are enclosed in a chalky shell, while those of reptiles are in a leathery membrane.
In the question, what came first: chicken or egg? The egg is an object that came from a species of the sort. And the Pro is unable to change this definition because this is a universal definition. And as we all know, in a debate, we can't change a universal definition.

Attack the Case
1) The last argument that Pro makes is flawed. He states that birds evolved from dinosaurs. Now, the Pro says, "Birds evolved from two dinos "digging for treasure" in their summer home. Without protection. Nine months later, a chicken falls plop out of her butt. DUH." as his proof. Yet, his proof has nothing to do with evolution. Also, in this topic we are talking about chickens, not a generic "bird". Science of evolution proves that Red Junglefowls actually are the ancestors of modern day chickens. Now with these reasons, the Pro's argument of evolution is out of the debate because of several reasons. First, his evidence is non-supported. Second, his evidence is off topic and is incorrect. Third, I brought in rebutting evidence towards this. So, with this argument out of the way, we can move on to the next rebuke.
2) At this point of the debate, we can both agree that for an egg to come, we need a male and female chicken.
But the argument comes down to, how did the first chicken appear? Did the egg come first or the chicken come first? To solve this, lets play a with scenarios. Now before I start, we must understand that evolution comes into play. So, the egg or chicken must have had to come from a another species. Lets call the species protochicken. These protochicken had to pass down genetic information to create and evolutionarily the modern day chicken. Now, the scenarios lead to the modern day chicken. This is also what the question is asking the chicken or egg.
Scenarios one:
The egg laying species lays an egg. This egg is a proto egg. Within the zygote, the mutation occurs, thus leading to the hatching of the chicken.
Scenarios two:
The egg laying species lays an egg. But this time, the egg is the actual chicken egg. In this case the mutation already occurred, then the egg came. After the egg hatches, the chicken comes.
In both scenarios, the egg came first. Proto egg or egg, it is still an egg. This is when the definition comes to play. The egg's definition fits for both the proto egg and egg. So, the egg came first.

Voting
Voters, please go with what is in the debate not what your own opinions are.
As we can see, The opponents evidence and arguments are out of the argument with my rebates. This leaves the debate in Con with evidence to support the statements. These evidence factors are not deniable because they are already proved facts. Thus, I see that the only vote available is a valet for Con.
Thank you!

Evidence
http://www.theguardian.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...




Debate Round No. 1
19debater19

Pro

19debater19 forfeited this round.
YoungTurtleBear

Con

Voting
Pro has forfeited the round, so he was unable to refute my arguments. In this case, I have declined all his arguments, so they are out of the debate. In this debate right now, only my points stand. With this in mind, I can only see a valet to Con.


Debate Round No. 2
19debater19

Pro

19debater19 forfeited this round.
YoungTurtleBear

Con

Voting
Impotant Note:
Please vote on what the debate is based on, and not your own personal opinions. Thank You!
Once again, Pro is unable to provide counter arguements to keep thier arguments in the debate. Thus, my arguements are the only things that stand. Thus, only a Con vote is possible.
Vote Con!

Thank you Pro for providing this debate. For everyone who voted, also, thank you very much.
Have fun everyone!
Debate Round No. 3
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Vote Placed by yay842 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: con's argument concerning the red jungle fowl is a reliable resource that makes the egg coming first argument more convincing.
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