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twsurber
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Children need to be protected from the gays and their homosexual agenda.

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Started: 5/21/2010 Category: Politics
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Freeman

Con

The Actual Resolution: Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt children.

Gay couples should be allowed to adopt children since this is a policy that would be in the best interests of children, families, and society as a whole. Further, arbitrarily denying certain couples the ability to adopt children because of their sexual orientation is simply unacceptably detrimental to the aims of a civil society, and it is a position that is perpetuated by nothing other than flagrant discrimination. Of course, people's ignorance plays a large role in this matter. Some people have come to believe – almost invariably on bad evidence – that there is something fundamentally wrong with the minds of gay people. It's likely that many factors play into this sort of thinking, however, the point remains; many of the views people have about gays are simply not based on science, reason or empirical data. While some scientists may disagree about particular aspects of certain theories regarding sexual orientation, one thing is now universally agreed upon by the psychological and medical experts who specialize on this subject: there is nothing psychologically, emotionally, socially, mentally or morally wrong with people that are gay, and one's sexual orientation is mainly not a conscious choice. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that gay couples should not be allowed to raise children.

C1: Evidence indicates that homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation that is not consciously chosen.

There is nothing about gay individuals that makes them inadequate parents, and thus there is no reason to suppose that they shouldn't be allowed to raise children. And despite what many deeply pious (i.e. ignorant) people may believe, there is no reason whatsoever to think that homosexual orientations are anything other than normal and healthy variations of human nature. In fact, compelling evidence and recent scientific studies from both neuroscience and psychology now confirm this notion to an astonishing degree. Indeed, many of the negative ideas that people have held over the years about homosexuality are simply unsupportable in light of the mounds of evidence that has come forth on this subject. Luckily, the evidence that is being called upon can be found everywhere. As a result, there are good reasons to suppose that the sexual preference gays hold will not negatively impact their life or character.

As it turns out, there is now compelling evidence – especially the evidence coming from neuroscience research – which indicates that a person's sexual orientation is determined in large part by the structure of their mind. For example, recent functional neuro-imaging experiments done by Ivanka Savic, Hans Berglund, and Per Lindstr�m indicate two human pheromones - the progesterone derivative 4,16-androstadien-3-one (AND) and an estrogen-like steroid estra-1,3-5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol (EST) – arouse sexual orientation specific responses that are key to activating the neural circuits of the anterior hypothalamus of those with a heterosexual and homosexual orientation. [1] To give some background information, it is important to point out that the anterior hypothalamus has been shown to be essential in integrating sensory cues that are involved in sexual behavior and sexual preference. Further, the study in question demonstrated that the anterior hypothalamus of the gay men in the experiment responded much in the same way to the pheromone (AND) that the anterior hypothalamus of heterosexual women did. Consequently, it is now fairly certain that one's sexual preference is largely involuntarily acquired, because it is not reasonable to believe that any person can willfully control the way in which their brain responds to electrochemical stimuli. If it were true that a person's sexual orientation were entirely a choice, then there should be no such correlations in the neural patterns between gay men and heterosexual females with respect to their sexual preference. Therefore, the evidence aforementioned demonstrates with much certainty that a person's mind does play a large role in determining whether that person is gay or straight. Some may be ignorant of these facts, but the evidence is clear; sexual orientation is not determined in large part by a conscious choice.

Additionally, organizations with the most educated insights on this subject such as, The American Medical Association, The American Psychiatric Association, The American Psychological Association, The American Psychoanalytic Association, The American Academy of Pediatrics, and The National Academy of Social Workers all agree on this topic: homosexuality is a normal orientation that should not be treated or viewed as a mental disorder, and sexual orientation is not a choice. [2] In particular, The National Institute of Mental Health did various scientific studies regarding homosexuality. [3] In the data that was accumulated by them, they determined that their "subsequent research consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific basis for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality, rather than a normal and healthy sexual orientation." In light of these findings, The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the DSM in 1973 while maintaining that, "homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities." [3] Later on, after they reviewed the data from this research, The American Psychological Association followed suit and adopted the same view, with other science organizations following them shortly thereafter. [3] Thus, it should be obvious that homosexuality is not some sort of mental disorder that leads to adverse affects in gay individuals. Given these facts, there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to be anxious about gay couples adopting children; they are just as normal, virtuous, and well-adjusted as anyone else.

::Conclusion::

Not allowing two people to adopt a child based on their sexual preference is nothing more than an arbitrary form of discrimination. This is especially true since it is now clear that gay people's sexual preference is both normal and not subject to change. Simply put, there is no process of ratiocination, religious or otherwise, that can justifiably demonstrate why children should be denied access to the loving homes and families that gay couples can provide. Moreover, the "homosexual agenda," if such a thing even exists, is in no way something that should be opposed or feared. For thousands of years gay couples have been the victims of gay bashing (both figuratively and literally). It is, therefore, imperative that society takes steps to protect this vulnerable minority group and also insure that they have equal protections under the law. And allowing them to adopt children that need loving families will bring the world one step closer to actualizing this goal.

Sources:
1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
2. YouTube - Gay Education. YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Web. 21 May 2010. .
3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
twsurber

Pro

First, Allow me to state up front that I have no intention of disrespecting or offending homosexuals. Further, unless there is a specific need, I will refrain from using Biblical scripture. The regulars on DDO are fully aware of my personal beliefs which I will strive to leave out of this debate. Further, I would like to thank Freeman for this opportunity.

I'll start by addressing Freeman's only contention: "Evidence indicates that homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation that is not consciously chosen". While Freeman has provided us with some very impressive stats, I can offset this contention with other equally credible data to the contrary:

"What is clear, however, is that the scientific attempts to demonstrate that homosexual attraction is biologically determined have failed. The major researchers now prominent in the scientific arena-themselves gay activists-have in fact arrived at such conclusions.

There is no support in the scientific research for the conclusion that homosexuality is biologically determined."

-- A. Dean Byrd, PhD
Clinical Professor of Medicine,
University of Utah School of Medicine
"The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No
Basis in Science," Salt Lake City Tribune

"There is not any evidence that shows that homosexuality is 'genetic', and none of the research itself claims there is. Only the press and, sadly, certain researchers do - when speaking in sound bites to the public.

Homosexuality may run in families but you get viruses from your parents, too, and some bad habits. Not everything that is familial is innate or genetic."

-- Jeffrey Satinover, MD
Founder and Former Director, Sterling Institute for
Neuropsychiatry and Behavioral Medicine
"The Gay Gene?,"

"Studies of men and women who experienced prenatal defects in hormone metabolism have not found a concurrent increase in homosexual behavior.

Overall, the data do not support a causal connection between hormones and human sexual orientation."

-- Amy Banks, MD
Director of Advanced Training,
Jean Baker Miller Institute, Wellesley College

Nanette Gartrell, MD
Principal Investigator, The National
Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study
"Hormones and Sexual Orientation:
A Questionable Link," Journal of Homosexuality
1995

MY CASE:

C-1: Children raised by same sex domestic partners (no insult intended just ignorant of the correct terminology to use) will inevitably miss out on the opposite sexed parent. If 2 males raise a boy, the boy will miss out on natural motherly love. If 2 males raise a female, they cannot relate to all of the emotional and feminine issues that a girl will experience. If 2 females raise a boy, he will miss out on the masculine side of learning. If 2 females raise a female, the girl will miss out on having a father figure.

To grow up to be well-balanced adults, children need role models of both sexes. Boys without fathers under-achieve, especially since there are now fewer male teachers in primary schools.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk...

Children raised by gay parents are offered only one partnership model
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk...

C-2: Children often model their parents
Any number of doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and even our beloved dead philosophers have found some mutual ground on this. Does this mean that a child raised by same sex domestic partners will realize that they are homosexual? There is not enough evidence to positively confirm or deny it. One thing that is certain, is that 2 females cannot produce a child, nor can 2 males. Though it is an unlikely scenario that population would decrease due to an increase in homosexuality realization, it cannot be ruled out if enough people were indeed homosexual.

CONCLUSION: Can homosexual couples (male or female) provide loving homes for children? Of course they can! Can they provide the same upbringing that a heterosexual can? Absolutely not.

Further, if we are to believe the liberal left, there is actually nothing to protect children from. Many things that were formerly considered wrong or taboo, have become socially acceptable today. Granted there will still be some degree of hazing, harrassment, and bullying; but there is reason to believe that as the former becomes more accepted into society as normal, there should be equally less resentment of it. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
Freeman

Con

Allow me to begin by thanking twsurber for his first round. While I obviously disagree with him, I'm glad to have this exchange. First off, some of my antagonist's objections can be dealt with rather quickly. For example, my opponent's apparent fear that humanity will die out (or decrease drastically) due to an increase of children becoming gay is a bit silly, to put it mildly. With that out of the way, let's get into the actual arguments.

C1: Evidence indicates that homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation that is not consciously chosen.

In my first round I argued two things. Firstly, I argued that a person's sexual orientation is biologically determined, and I gave compelling evidence from neuroscience to back up this claim. Secondly, I argued that there is nothing about gay individuals that should cause anyone to doubt whether they are good parents. My opponent has left this second point untouched, but he did say something about my first point, and I will respond to it. Honestly, I could take this issue or leave it. The crux of my case does not depend on this point being true; however, I want to set the record straight.

Despite what my antagonist may believe, not all sources are created equal. For example, Dean Byrd, PhD – a source my opponent cites – is the President of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a research organization that advocates "reparative therapy". [1] He's basically a religious lunatic that thinks gay people can be ‘cured' through the power of Christianity. And the other people (Pro) cites are pretty much of the same ilk.

These people are all right wing religious fundamentalists that have made it their mission in life to cynically use their prestige as "scientists" to obfuscate scientific issues for nefarious purposes. They do not publish their work in peer reviewed scientific journals, and their work is not recognized in the actual scientific community. Moreover, they do not hold any actual positions in major scientific organizations like The National Institute of Mental Health. As such, the reports my opponent cites were created by the scientifically illiterate for the scientifically illiterate. In short, twsurber, your ‘evidence' can't possibly stack up against mine, not even on Fox News.

C1: "Children raised by same sex domestic partners will inevitably miss out on the opposite sexed parent."

My opponent's contention completely glides over the fact that millions of children are raised by a single parent. Moreover, children need people to love them. It doesn't matter if those people are gay or straight. To make this point clearer, I have made a few questions I think you should muse over, twsurber.

==============================> Cross Examination <==============================

Is it better for a child to grow up with a mother and an abusive father or two gay mothers?

Is it better for a child to grow up with a mother and an emotionally absent father or two gay mothers?

Is it better for a child to grow up with a father and an alcoholic mother or two gay fathers?

Is it better for a child to grow up with a father and a negligent mother or two gay fathers?

Is it better for a child to grow up with two straight parents on welfare or two gay parents who are both members of The National Academy of Sciences?

My point is, of course, that a person's ability to be a good parent is not contingent upon them being a heterosexual.

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::Conclusion::

I honestly hope you open up your mind and your heart on this issue, twsurber. Gay couples are wonderful parents [2], and children should not be barred from their love. Moreover, your current beliefs on this topic are doing tremendous damage to the world. And they really do cause people to have irrational hatreds that can sometimes lead them to commit acts of violence against gay people. Of course, the Bible inspires much of this hatred, intolerance, and incitement to violence. How do I know this you ask? Because people like you never fail to cite chapter and verse.

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 18:13

"Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:25-27

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10.

Truly mysterious are the ways of the Lord.

In summary, children need love, whether it's from a single parent or two gay parents. They deserve this much, and anything less than that for them is simply unacceptable. If we as a society are to ever live up to our democratic ideals, then we must abolish all laws that discriminate against people for their sexual orientation. These laws are unjust, unfair, and unreasonable. As such, allowing gay couples to adopt children is not only good policy; it is morally necessary.

Sources:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
2. YouTube - ACLU Freedom Files: Lesbian & Gay Parents | Florida. YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Web. 25 May 2010.
twsurber

Pro

Freeman, Thank you as well.

Defense of my C-2. Is it a possibility, but not very likely at all. Was it silly, far fetched? Indeed, however, I have lost debates on this site based solely on semantics. Since it IS a very remote possibility, I decided to include it. Since it was not discredited, it stands.

The argument over sources again off-sets per the information I will provide below. Further, if I did not touch your second point, how could have mentioned things that I alledgedly didn't argue?

My opponent attempted to discredit my sources by stating that they were right wing biased results. What were his sources? Left wing biased results. Not enough? Let's examine the quote from one of my opponnet's sources Ivanka Savic :
me: Ivanka Savic-Berglund, MD, PhD
Title: Associate Professor and Senior Consultant Neurologist at Karolinska Institutet at the Centre of Gender Related Medicine in Stockholm, Sweden
Position: None Found to the question "Is sexual orientation determined at birth?"
Reasoning: "I want to be extremely cautious - this [my] study (Brain Response to Putative Pheromones in Homosexual Men) does not tell us anything about whether sexual orientation is hardwired in the brain. It doesn't say anything about that." http://borngay.procon.org...

Further, my opponent mentioned the American Pyschiatry Association as one of his many sources that "concurred":
Biased Studies?
Research studies, often conducted by individuals or organizations with a vested interest in the outcome, are contradictory. Studies linked to conservative political and religious groups almost never show anything positive about homosexuality and studies linked to liberal political and religious groups and/or gay support groups almost never show anything negative about homosexuality. So this means that we all have to take a step back and look at all these studies with a calm and a cool head. Though obviously being biased (since I know what the truth is from my own life experience) I still can not include any studies financed by the anti-gay religious right because for me the results are disingenuous, outrageous or even outright laughable. For example, Click Here to read about the ruse or junk science known as the Thomas Project or �€œEx-Gays?�€�: A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change In Sexual Orientation whose principal investigators, Stanton Jones and Mark Yarhouse both worked for universities with strong anti-gay biases (and therefore had a vested interest in the outcome of the study) Wheaton College and Pat Robertson University respectively. On the other hand I have tried to weed out the studies with the more favorable outcomes to my side that seem to have some basic problems with their methodology. For example, I have not included the results of the following studies because these results could not be independently replicated by other researchers:
a) The so-called "gay gene (Xq28) study" done by Dean Hamer.
b) Post-mortem (after death) studies of the hypothalamus of the brain of homosexual males done by D. F. Swaab, Laura S. Allen, and Simon LeVay.
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However in spite of all of the above scientific studies, according to the American Psychological Association's own website, "there is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Click Here on the American Psychological Association Website link, then scan down to the question "What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?" and you will find the direct quote as used above.

My opponent stated that I glided over single parent children. While that is not directly the subject at hand, I will speak to it.

Single parent children will also miss out on the contributions of the missing parent be it male or female. In the scenarios presented by my opponent, he implied that all gay/lesbian parents are model parents without fault. Is it better to have.......? That is assuming that all gay/lez parents are, which they are not.
MANY probably are, as are MANY hetero; however we cannot make this an all inclusive/exclusive. It is situational and must be evaluated on a case by case basis. Children are deserving of loving parents, and as such, careful placement MUST be paramount in the decision process.

This idea directly ties in to the suitablility and parental potential of adopting families. The various departments of children and family services do a variety of checks to ensure children are being placed in a suitable home. For example, in Tennessee potential adoptive parents complete MAPP classes (Modern Approach to Partnership in Parenting). A home study is completed on the parents individually, together, as well as anyone residing in the home. Background checks are completed. Then 2 announced and 1 unannounced home inspections occur. If favorable, then parents are considered for placements.

In the case above, parents are given information regarding the child. Can you accept a child who has (fill in the blank(s)? Parents need to know this for compatability. I will say that adoptive parents should NOT always attempt to change something about the child they are receiving. Sexual orientation notwithstanding; for example.

REBUTTAL: I will not go so far as to say that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt children. I will say that whenever possible, straight children should be adopted by straight parents; and children with homosexual tendencies adopted by homosexual parents.

As I stated, and undisputed, in Round 1, children "model" the behaviors of their caregivers. This would alleviate many of the inevitable questions that are certain to accompany such a placement. It is inevitable a child would witness public displays of affection, such as kissing. It is possible if not probable that they would also have some exposure to private displays of affection (I won't go there). They would be naturally curious to at least question if not experiment. With that in mind, it is clearly most beneficial to place straight kids with straight parents, and gay kids with gay parents.

CONCLUSION:
Contention 1: Worst case, both off set, best case mine is stronger.
Contention 2: Unlikely, but possible, thus defended. My opponent did not have a 2nd contention.
I win this debate

My opponent cited Biblical scripture from the comments section. As promised, I refrained. I was expected to make all of the concessions, and surrender my opinion. (Reminds me of my beloved Israel!) Unfortunately, the best compromise that I am capable of is listed in my rebuttal. I was attacked in print for stating my opinion, yet I did not attack. Of the 50 plus comments, only 2 had anything supportive of me. Some even encouraged poor sportsmanship. So I ask, Who was really acting the part of the bully here?

I have provided credible evidence to back my case. I have provided credible evidence to dismantle my opponent's case. Given this, I request your support in a PRO ballot.

Thanks to Freeman for a good contest!
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by joshknows 3 years ago
joshknows
EXACTLY people... Eccedustin said his mom was a single mom. I know plenty of single moms who have no husbands or boyfriends and their children came out just fine. I just feel very upset about the fact that some people won't allow gay people to love children... get this they prefer that the kids be in foster homes that don't even care about the kids, just the check they get.. and thats Ok?.. the emotional abuse is farr better than 'not being able to be raised in a traditional family'? seriously gays want children and since they can't biologically, then they love any child... why is it sooo bad for a gay couple to raise a child it actually statistically proven that more gay parents have accepting proactive children than normal parents.. they raise their kids the way they want the world to be, Accepting.
Posted by Eccedustin 4 years ago
Eccedustin
I don't understand the argument that children raised by same sex parents will "miss out" on the other sex raising them. My mother raised me, and I had no consistent father figure and I turned out just fine.
Posted by LukeSchreiner 4 years ago
LukeSchreiner
The scripture quotings shouldn't have been included in this debate. Pro had refrained, while Con gave scripture. I'd call that a pretty low blow. To Con- Can same sex couples be abusive as well? To pro- link more. I was reading, and i had to assume what you meant, and how it affected Con's words. I could've easily turned this debate around, and made most of your comments be for con. To both= Great debate, Very convincing arguments on both sides. Thank you
Posted by lovelife 4 years ago
lovelife
Pro actually gave some good arguments. This debate wasn't what I expected lol.
Posted by Freeman 4 years ago
Freeman
"While I find myself agreeing with Con, he makes way too many emotive arguments."

Could you give an example?
Posted by PARADIGM_L0ST 4 years ago
PARADIGM_L0ST
While I find myself agreeing with Con, he makes way too many emotive arguments.
Posted by tBoonePickens 4 years ago
tBoonePickens
"LIMB is similar to the discussion of what is considered to be a metro-sexual."
Actually, I made it up. It's supposed to be a satirical view of all the sexual-orientation-special-interests out there. It speaks volumes that you have even bothered to entertain it or taken it so seriously. Let's me know how truly on the fringe you are.

"...But balance would be preferred."
Sure as long as YOU get to pick the balance, right? Truth is, it is way out of balance: there are much too many gay oriented shows out there already. If anything, it is not reflective of society's makeup at all because it is overly saturated with special interests. Aren't the overwhelming majority of people not gay? Answer: yes. But at the fringe from where you see things, a true balance is beyond your view.

"...prop 8 commercials...gay agenda" The people of California (and every other state that it's been put up for referendum) have consistently rejected gay marriage time and time again, but the special interests keep trying to force it through and use judicial activism via the courts to force it upon people.

"By using the words 'gay agenda,'..."
If the shoe fits...

"Its called the internet, you are on it, so go look it up. Try it your way, instead of wikipedia, look up conservapedia..."
Oh, I know what it (heterosexism) is, I wanted to know what YOU think it is because I am quite certain that it is not what you think it is. As far as conservapedia goes: thanks, I'll check it out!

"It would take me several weeks to go through each character to point out how much of a heterosexist view each character makes and is portrayed into society."
Yes. This is exactly what I mean: since you operate from the extreme everything is heterosexism to you.

"Even when appearing on mass media, how are they portrayed? Stereotypical? Of course, whatever sells right? Deplorable at its best."
Perfect example of your skewed view. I wonder if you think that straight people are portrayed in a stereoty
Posted by Yurlene 4 years ago
Yurlene
Puh-lease. LIMB is similar to the discussion of what is considered to be a metro-sexual. Its the mass market trying to commodify other people's ways of living. Simplistic as that, i.e. wearing an earring for men.
2. I did not say nor assume that "every special interest needs to be represented in all aspects of life." But balance would be preferred. The so called "broad-brushed" insinuations were due to the prop 8 commercials not to TV shows in general.
3. By using the words "gay agenda," amongst your other posts as well, you are as ignorant as the FRC on many matters. The term was coined by nonetheless (wait for it... the Religious Right) Gasp... No it can't be. Puh-leeze.
4. Its called the internet, you are on it, so go look it up. Try it your way, instead of wikipedia, look up conservapedia...
5. It would take me several weeks to go through each character to point out how much of a heterosexist view each character makes and is portrayed into society. Even when appearing on mass media, how are they portrayed? Stereotypical? Of course, whatever sells right? Deplorable at its best.
Posted by tBoonePickens 4 years ago
tBoonePickens
"... if you don't live in CA then don't bother replying anything about these so called commercials."
I didn't. I specifically said "I don't live in CA so I don't know about the prop 8 commercials." However, what I did respond to was your broad-brushed insinuation of TV shows in general being anti-gay when in fact they more than cater to the gay agenda. Second, to assume that every "special interest" needs to be represented in all aspects of life is quite fanciful if not completely childish, to say the least.

"They still question many things that would be consider to be liberal." Sure, but only when it's so extremely radical. For the most part, they exhibit an obvious left-wing bias.

"If you don't know what heterosexism means...you are just as bigoted as the next or just ignorant..." Wow, how tolerant of you! Someone simply asks you a question & you lash out and accuse them of the very thing you are guilty of yourself! Stop projecting and answer the question.

"These shows about the homosexual life is quite laughable to say the least, that sir, is quite MOOT!" I guess only if every show on tv was about homosexuals, then you'd be happy. Of course, then there would be discrimination the other way but I guess that doesn't really count, cause it's only your side's "feelings" that matter. So tolerant & open minded you are! BTW, wake up and smell the tea: http://en.wikipedia.org...

To make light of such a small and persecuted LIMB minority like myself is utterly insensitive and extremely bigoted! And to further try and turn things around like that: you should be ashamed of yourself!
Posted by Yurlene 4 years ago
Yurlene
First off, if you don't live in CA then don't bother replying anything about these so called commercials. You know MOOT!.. So.. its not just 1 commercial, its many ill-formed ones basing on twisted facts and events. Secondly, to assume that all aspects of life are entailed in homosexuality, you are quite wrong. Schools there are LGBT clubs but there are also church-related groups on campuses. Special interest also cater to those of religious fanatics.

I don't like to contradict myself at all, you assume I do. I'm just stating that the mass media is in it for the money. They so called left-wing bias is not so left-wing. They still question many things that would be consider to be liberal.
If you don't know what heterosexism means by its context well then you are just as bigotted as the next or just ignorant (not quite sure which at this moment).
Not every show of "today" looks favorably upon these characters, these shows still have the stigma of heterosexism still entailed within these shows. To say that "OMG, there are gay characters on the tele" is to say the least, but there will always be a heterosexual woman/man that plays the counterpart. Some say it is to balance out the "queerness" of the characters, but others say it is to take away from the gay character and will always cater to the heterosexual. These shows about the homosexual life is quite laughable to say the least, that sir, is quite MOOT!

You are the disgusting bigot Pickens, first off, you usage of Lesbian is off bases. You are straight. You are a SID (Straight In Denial)
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