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TheBestFactMan
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Stupidape
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Chocolate milk, In schools or not?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/15/2015 Category: Health
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheBestFactMan

Pro

I heard that Chocolate milk is better for you than the factory-made white milk.
At my elementary school I remember that no one liked the white milk because it tasted like it was expired. Some of them where.
Stupidape

Con

Milk, chocolate or not is made under cruelty conditions. Dairy cows have little freedom and eventually are slaughtered. Please don't drink milk.

Not only that but milk is unhealthy. Milk contains animal protein which elevates IGF-1 levels. Elevated IGF-1 levels increase risk for cancer. All the fat in milk isn't good for you neither. The excess fat builds up at intramyocellular lipids which in turn increases insulin resistance.

Saturated fat increases LDL levels, increases blood viscosity, and gut permeability. Lactose leads to blood sugar spikes, and most of the world is lactose intolerant. Finally, all the dead bacteria cause an immune system response.

As for the vitamin D, it can be claimed via sunlight. Calcium in leafy greens like kale. Protein can be gained from legumes. Milk it does the body bad.

http://notmilk.com...
http://www.humanemyth.org...
Debate Round No. 1
TheBestFactMan

Pro

Then the problem is not with banning milk it is with how the cows are being treated and what they put into the milk.
So you say milk can stay if cows are treated better and there is less fat?
Stupidape

Con



"Then the problem is not with banning milk it is with how the cows are being treated and what they put into the milk.
So you say milk can stay if cows are treated better and there is less fat?" TheBestFactMan


stupidape's response


One cup of skim milk has 8g of protein, 12g of carbohydrates, 5mg of cholesterol, 0g of fiber, zero phytonutrients, and no antioxidants. [3]

The protein is animal protein, which elevates IGF-1 levels which increases risk for cancer. [4] [5]. The sugar is lactose, which most of the world is intolerant to. [6] Lactose also causes blood sugar to spike. This is partly due to milk being in liquid form. Liquids move through the body faster than solids. There's still the problem with the dead bacteria causing an immune system response and inflammation. [7]


Quotes backing up claims


"For years we didn’t know why eating a plant-based diet appeared to so dramatically improve cancer defenses within just a matter of weeks. But researchers recently figured it out: eating healthy lowers the level of the cancer promoting growth hormone IGF-1. This saga was detailed in my last four blog posts:" [4].

"When researchers tested various ethnic groups for their ability to digest lactose, however, their findings proved otherwise. Approximately 70 percent of African Americans, 90 percent of Asian Americans, 53 percent of Mexican Americans, and 74 percent of Native Americans were lactose intolerant.1-4" [6]

"A single meal of meats, eggs, and dairy can cause a spike of inflammation within hours that can stiffen one’s arteries." [7]



In other words no, skim milk would solve the problem of saturated fat and too much fat causing intramyocellular lipid build up that whole milk causes. Yet, there is still many problems with skim milk.

Links.

3. http://nutritiondata.self.com...
4. http://nutritionfacts.org...
5. http://nutritionfacts.org...
6. http://www.pcrm.org...
7. http://nutritionfacts.org...
Debate Round No. 2
TheBestFactMan

Pro

TheBestFactMan forfeited this round.
Stupidape

Con

Small amounts of cholesterol are detrimental to health. That includes the cholesterol in milk.

"These findings suggest that even small intakes of foods of animal origin are associated with significant increases in plasma cholesterol concentrations, which are associated, in turn, with significant increases in chronic degenerative disease mortality rates."

http://ajcn.nutrition.org...
Debate Round No. 3
TheBestFactMan

Pro

TheBestFactMan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
TheBestFactMan

Pro

TheBestFactMan forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: lannan13// Mod action:Removed<

6 points to Con (Conduct, Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture

[*Reason for removal*] Even though 3 rounds were forfeited, this is not a full forfeit debate, and as such the voter has to justify his point allocations beyond the conduct point.
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Posted by KingofEverything 1 year ago
KingofEverything
@Stupidape, that's a pretty good case. I was going to accept this, but couldn't make a good argument. You on the other hand, did your job well.
Posted by KingofEverything 1 year ago
KingofEverything
@Stupidape, that's a pretty good case. I was going to accept this, but couldn't make a good argument. You on the other hand, did your job well.
Posted by KingofEverything 1 year ago
KingofEverything
I don't think this is debatable. Chocolate milk is indeed a healthy and beneficial drink. Why not debate about something that can arguably be unbenificial like Doritos?
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Vote Placed by U.n 1 year ago
U.n
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Vote Placed by Hayd 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: COn showed that cows are treated badly, and thus buying milk supports that cruelty. COn shows that there is lots of fat in milk, and that it is bad for humans to consume, Pro never rebuts this or any of Con's arguments, thus Con wins. Pro ff so conduct to COn.