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magic123
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birdlandmemories
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Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA

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birdlandmemories
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/26/2014 Category: Sports
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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magic123

Pro

Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA. No other point guard can control and take over a game like him. He is the most versatile point guard in the game today as well. Other point guards may go on streaks and appear to be the best, but Paul is the most consistent out there.
birdlandmemories

Con

I accept this debate and will argue that Russell Westbrook is the best point guard in the NBA.
Debate Round No. 1
magic123

Pro

I will first display both players stats from last year
Category Chris Paul Russell Westbrook
Points 19.1 21.8
Assists 10.7 6.9
Rebounds 4.3 5.7
Steals 2.5 1.9
Blocks .1 .2
FG% 46.7% 43.7%
3FG% 36.8% 31.8%
FT% 85.5% 82.6%
Turnovers 2.3 3.8
Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA for many reasons. First of all he is a great leader and keeps his team together. This is essential for a PG to do. Chris Paul can pass as well as anyone in the league. He creates shots for everyone around him.
Paul averaged 10.7 assists last year leading the league. That is almost 2 higher than runner ups John Wall's 8.8. When playing against a good defense 1 on 1 offense eventually stops working. I think we all saw this in the finals last year with the Heat. That is why you cant put a price on shot creators like Paul. The con stated that he believes Russell Westbrook is the best point guard in the NBA. Russell Westbrook is incredibly talented and could be even better, but he is not yet on the level of Chris Paul. Westbrook will get better in many ways but one part of his game that won't dramatically change is his passing. I don't think he naturally has the feel of a shot creator. Last year Westbrook averaged 3.8 less assists than Paul. He also has a lower assists rate than Paul. Westbrook also averaged 1.5 more turnovers than Paul.
In terms of scoring the ball Westbrook averaged only 1.8 more points than Paul while taking 3.2 more shots than Paul. Paul shot a higher FG% 3FG% FT% than Westbrook. He also had a higher true shooting percentage. When Paul wants he can score but he does not have to. He does whatever his team needs him to do score or pass.
Both are great defenders who are among the leagues best. Paul also lead the league in steals with 2.5. Westbrook averaged a solid 1.9.
Paul is better than Westbrook in terms of statistics, leading the league in 2 categories, as well as being a better leader which is beyond statistics.
birdlandmemories

Con

Thank you Magic123 for your arguments. I will post mine.


Westbrook averages his stats despite playing along-side the best player in the NBA

While Chris Paul is the undisputed leader of his team, Russell Westbrook has to play alongside one of the best players in the NBA, which lowers his stats.

Stats

Westbrook averages more Points and Rebounds, 2 of the main categories stat-wise. He also averages more made free throws, more offensive rebounds, and less fouls despite playing fewer minutes than Chris Paul [1] [2].

Postseason

Russell Westbrook is clearly better in the postseason. Westbrook averages more rebounds, more blocks, more points, a higher free-throw percentage, fewer ejections, more offensive rebounds, less fouls, and has more career triple doubles, fewer disqualifications, and fewer techinal fouled the past 2 years combined [3][4]

My opponent did not source any of his information, which means he plagerized.

Thank you.



Sources

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Debate Round No. 2
magic123

Pro

You are either a very biased Thunder fan, or you know nothing about basketball.

"Westbrook averages his stats despite playing along-side the best player in the NBA."


First off LeBron James is hands down the best player in the NBA.


Playing with Durant does not take away from Westbrook, if anything it helps him. Durant was the best scorer in the league, this means Westbrook should have had a lot of easy assists. He only averaged 6.9.


"While Chris Paul is the undiputed leader of his team, Russell Westbrook has to play alongside one of the best players in the NBA, which lowers his stats."


As I stated earlier this should only help his assists.


In basketball defenses focus in on the best player on the opposing team. With teams constantly paying attention to Durant that frees up Westbrook to play more 1 0n 1. The only thing that would make sense about your arguement is if Durant took a significant amount of shots away from Westbrook. Last tear he still shot 17.2 shots per game. Durant shot only 3.6 more shots than Westbrook at 20.8. If Chris Paul shot 17.2 times per game he would be on track to score about 22 points per game, about equal to Westbrook's 21.8.


"Westbrook averages more Points and Rebounds, 2 of the main categories stat-wise. He also averages more made free throws, more offensive rebounds, and less fouls despite playing fewer minutes than Chris Paul [1] [2]."


Paul not only is better than Westbrook in 2 categories but he leads the league in 2 categories, assists and steals, arguably the most important categories for point guards. I already showed that Westbrook scores more, but also shoots more with lower field goal percentages. He makes more free throws but shoots a lower percentage.


So if people want to vote for Westbrook because he averages 1.4 more rebounds than Paul then go right ahead.


Paul has not played his best in the playoffs, but this year was messed up because of the Sterling scandal.


Last year in the playoofs Westbrook's field goal percentage went down to 42%. His 3 point percentage went down to 28%. So he basically just shot more in the playoffs but his percentages went down. Also his turnovers went up to 4.4





birdlandmemories

Con

Thank you Magic123 for your rebuttals. I will post mine now.

" Playing with Durant does not take away from Westbrook, if anything it helps him. Durant was the best scorer in the league, this means Westbrook should have had a lot of easy assists. He only averaged 6.9."

My opponent is wrong. By playing along Durant, Westbrook handles the ball less. if he played on a team like Paul's, he would average more assists, points, and rebounds, since he would handle the ball more. Even though he plays with Kevin Durant, he still averages more points and rebounds, which are more important to the game, rebounds help your team have possesion of the ball, points help score for your team. Assists just mean you passed the ball for a shot. Assisted shots do not matter more than unassisted shots.

"As I stated earlier this should only help his assists."

As I said above, no it should not, as Westbrook receives the ball less since he plays alongside Kevin Durant.

"In basketball defenses focus in on the best player on the opposing team. With teams constantly paying attention to Durant that frees up Westbrook to play more 1 0n 1. The only thing that would make sense about your arguement is if Durant took a significant amount of shots away from Westbrook. Last tear he still shot 17.2 shots per game. Durant shot only 3.6 more shots than Westbrook at 20.8. If Chris Paul shot 17.2 times per game he would be on track to score about 22 points per game, about equal to Westbrook's 21.8."

You have proved my point that playing alongside Durant helps minimize Westbrook's stats. Also, your point stating that if Paul shot 17.2 shots per game is unsourced, which means that it is not a valid point.

"Paul not only is better than Westbrook in 2 categories but he leads the league in 2 categories, assists and steals, arguably the most important categories for point guards. I already showed that Westbrook scores more, but also shoots more with lower field goal percentages. He makes more free throws but shoots a lower percentage."

While Paul does have more assists and steals, Westbrook has more Points and rebounds, which are categories that help the team more than steals and assists. Steals may not always lead to baskets, and assists are just passes on a shot. Rebounds are similar to steals in that they win you possesion and may not always lead to baskets, but points are what help your team win games, so leading in points and rebounds is bigger than leading in assists and steals.

"So if people want to vote for Westbrook because he averages 1.4 more rebounds than Paul then go right ahead."

Rebounds is a key category, and more key than assists and steals, which I pointed out above.

"Paul has not played his best in the playoffs, but this year was messed up because of the Sterling scandal."

My opponent conceeds that Paul does not do good in the playoffs.

"Last year in the playoofs Westbrook's field goal percentage went down to 42%. His 3 point percentage went down to 28%. So he basically just shot more in the playoffs but his percentages went down. Also his turnovers went up to 4.4"

But as I showed above, Westbrook averages more points, rebounds, and is better at controlling his temper.

Thank you Magic123 for what has so far been a very fun and enjoyable debate.








Debate Round No. 3
magic123

Pro

magic123 forfeited this round.
birdlandmemories

Con

Extend arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
magic123

Pro

magic123 forfeited this round.
birdlandmemories

Con

What a shame. Please vote con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by birdlandmemories 2 years ago
birdlandmemories
This has been a good debate thus-far.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for the forfeits. And, as Pro left the debate, he failed to respond to Con's points. As such, arguments to Con as well. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.