Christian God Paradox
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Since I first read this quote, I could not find a fault in it, so I would like "Con" to prove that god is indeed omnipotent and is not malevolent, or to sufficiently disprove another part of the quote.
BoP is on Con, he/she must prove a fault in the logic of this quote.
1) First round is for acceptance, and for opening arguments, as I have made mine.
"God Himself can not associate with evil"
I'd like to point out that any claim of 'cannot' proves the absence of omnipotence. Something that is all-powerful can do anything and everything.
"God is a God of love, and He will not force us to love him. God is a God of mercy, and this is how we are reconciled when we ask Him for forgiveness."
If he is a god of love, and if he is indeed omnipotent, why does he not eliminate evil? I think we can agree that evil is bad, bad things are indeed bad, and fewer bad things is always better, so less evil is always better. (
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've neutralized your two points.
Also, thank you for the suggestion, I will research the book, even if I don't decide to read it.
You are making a case that God is the source of morality, and that God does indeed exist.
Assuming he is omnipotent, God could eliminate evil if he chose to do so. Since evil exists, and he has chosen to allow it, this would mean he is malevolent. I am not claiming that he doesn't exist. I do agree with your statement that morality is important, but it is not on the topic of this quote.
I'd very much like to be proved wrong, but these haven't convinced me yet. I hope you can change my mind with some rock-solid logic in the next rounds.
"His Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to his power. If you choose to say 'God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it,' you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them the two other words 'God can.'... It is no more possible for God than for the weakest of his creatures to carry out both of two mutually exclusive alternatives; not because his power meets an obstacle, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God." - C.S. Lewis.
In summary, God does not need to follow the human definition of logic. He does not need to make sense to our mere minds which cannot comprehend His mind, or thoughts. This is where Christians bring trust into their faith.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Both sides forfeited. As to arguments: Con's final round was a direct appeal to nonsensicality. That is simply uncompelling (and, incidentally, is NOT what Lewis was saying).
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