The Instigator
Truth_seeker
Pro (for)
Losing
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The Contender
airmax1227
Con (against)
Winning
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Christian rapper (me) vs. Jewish rapper Rap battle/debate

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airmax1227
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/22/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Truth_seeker

Pro

This will be a debate focusing on proving Jesus is the Jewish messiah. I as a Christian will argue for why Jesus is not only the messiah, but also God from the Scriptures. My opponent will argue for why Jesus is not the Jewish messiah and why he's not divine. There's a twist though, both of us will rap battle our arguments and the person with the best raps and arguments wins.

Rules:
Once you accept, you cannot forfeit any match, if you do, i get a vote.

Other than that, there are no rules, you can say whatever you want.

Let's get this started, do you accept?
airmax1227

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Truth_seeker

Pro

Ok, say the wrong thing, you might get executed by the Mujahideen
Did i tell you that it is by beheadin', palm sweatin', no red beam?
But how can i deny the great things of God that i have seen?
I see within these Scriptures, the true nature of God, Elohim

People think that Christ doesn't exist in Judaism
time to bring back the Jewishness of Messiah, restore the holy land, Zionism
God is eternal, existin' in all places, Buddhism, Hinduism, even Taoism
Even in these lyrics, the all-seein mind can reveal himself in this lyricism

One supreme deity, united, but it means Gods
Diggin' into the divine mindset through the Bible like prods
Lets not forget impossible solutions, it can't be a plural of majesty
An angelic being containing the inexpressible God's image, that's a tragedy
A singular entity within this divine reality when it says "Let us make man.." a catastrophe

Hmm, lets see, lets go into the Jewish mindset of Kabbalah
take into consideration that there is more to the nature of Allah n' Jah
There could be many manifestations within a single being
But from what we can see is that there are only 3, all agreein'

Lets examine the uniqueness of the trinity, it's not a pantheon
nothin' can separate em' not even if you tried to drop a cosmic bomb
E'ery person is a god, workin' as the almighty, whole in essence, shalom

In the Zohar it says, 3 persons exist within Godly emanations
Didn't touch the N.T, but we still received these greatest revelations
No words by pastors, "three in one" these are words of Jewish rabbis
A man who raises the dead should not be blasphemed, he can raise a livin soul when it dies

In the Zohar, it says "Hear, 0 Israel, Adonai Eloheinu Adonai is one. These three are one. How can the three Names be one? Only through the perception of faith.." Right there, father, spirit, ' holy Son!

I would argue tha holy one of Israel before all right before us
as God gave me truth, but i save that for the next 1 that we'll discuss
airmax1227

Con

First I'd like to thank Truth Seeker, he's dropin' rhymes with none sleeker,
He thinks he can out rap me, straight slap me, but his logic is weaker.
It's errant, transparent, like a drunken college streaker.
I know the scripture, the big picture, so pay attention to this speaker.

Messiah is a Jewish concept, he just hasn't come yet,
When he does, it will be obvious to everyone, so get set,
God made it clear, he is one,
Jews repeat it every day so they wont forget.

You believe it means gods, but the word has less clarity,
The pluralization is unique as the word has dexterity,
It can be used, abused, towards even more parity,
3 parts of god? How bout 10? Let's make it about popularity.

Wanna get esoteric? Ignore the generic? I'll listen to the mystics,
Want to quote the Zohar? Think that will go far? So we'll ignore the linguistics.
I can rant all day, it's just a matter of statistics,
But we're not talking about "gods", it's about characteristics.

Let me reiterate this concept of preconceived notions,
It's easy, it's can prove anything that comports with emotions,
It's important when you can pull from text like the oceans,
But it doesn't prove anything, as I refute all your motions.

You're dropping verses like you have the burden of proof,
"Hear oh Israel, I am ONE", so what is the truth?
Quote the obscure? Are you sure? You's swinging like Ruth,
Seeking any text you can, like candy for my sweet tooth.

Let's start from the beginning, you must first prove divinity,
Then we can move on, and you can try to prove trinity.
Want to assert this that you have such affinity?
Then show why it matters, from now to infinity.

I can't refute something before it's been stated,
I'll wait til you bring up Jesus so that can be debated,
It's not my intent for anything to be desecrated,
But be sure your verses have been properly translated.

I'm arguing that Jesus wasn't the messiah, he never was crowned,
The "anointed one" he wasn't, not in any verse I have found,
Renowned, abound, sure, his impact is profound,
But not the messiah, good luck in your next round.
Debate Round No. 2
Truth_seeker

Pro

Truth_seeker forfeited this round.
airmax1227

Con

My rhymes have that effect, but I don't like to boast,
I'll break it down, like a proper noun, while you nosh on the host,
This rap will continue, tough like a sinew, even if you don't post,
So let's get in this groove as I disprove the son and holy ghost.

Let's get cliche and check it, inspect it, in each way we can,
Let's go through the verses, reverse this, I'll draw up the plan,
I'll shine enough light, if that is alright, so much we both will get tan,
You saying it's Jesus, that's how you read this? from "Let us make man"?

Connect the dots, we sure have lots, to whatever is your conclusion,
I know it's not Judah, so maybe it's Buddha? Just pick your allusion,
So what is the source, it's anything of course, to match the illusion,
Do as you want, but no reasons to flaunt, this theological transfusion.

I want to reiterate, before I obliterate, the problem perceived,
The logical problems inherent, apparent, to connect it to what is believed,
The after-the-fact notion to this promotion, that's not preconceived,
It's a false source of divinity, and even the trinity, so nothings achieved.

The commentator Rashi: He's inclined to opine, that it's humility that is key,
To teach us this, even if easy to miss, by being humble like god's decree,
Nachmanides explains: It's us, the ground, earth or plains, can't you see?
He formed man of dust from the ground, thus this is it, and more likely to be.

But it's not what you stated, ever so how elated, so let's keep this going,
"Let US make man", I see you're a fan, but my arguments keep flowing,
It's not in the bible, it's practically libel, and it's that I am showing,
The logic is lacking, and I'll keep on tracking, as the flaws keep on growing.

Let's keep this moving, before we're concluding, and then we're departed,
"In the Zohar it says..." What?, that's not three names, don't get me started.

"Hear oh Israel, "Gods name" is your god, "God's name" is one" is a better translation,
"How can three names be one?" you ask, well that's already faced total negation.
It's easy to rebuild, make it fulfilled, if the scripture faces this type of mutilation,
But that is not what it means, however it seems, in any single OT location.

"Hear oh Israel, Hashem (the name) is your god, Hashem is ONE"
That's what it's saying, to only one we are praying, no matter how it is spun,
How many gods are there, just look you know where, aside him there are none,
I'll continue this, as there are things I did miss, but this round is done.
Debate Round No. 3
Truth_seeker

Pro

Truth_seeker forfeited this round.
airmax1227

Con

My opponent has forfeited, if I'm not mistaken,
The original promise of god, still never forsaken,
Part of a new covenant? so now can eat bacon.
The messiah will eventually come, and nations awaken.

The Oh T, is the only T, it's never been amended,
If otherwise, in this debate, it's never been contended,
I'd like to apologize, I realize, if anyone is offended,
I'll leave it there for now, with my arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 4
Truth_seeker

Pro

Truth_seeker forfeited this round.
airmax1227

Con

Extend arguments and have a nice day.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Glitter2998 1 year ago
Glitter2998
Oh my God!!! Great job, both of you. If I could still vote, I would vote for Truth_Seeker. :)
Posted by Jellon 2 years ago
Jellon
I'm looking forward to taking up this debate with airmax1227 in the future. I'm not a rapper though, so it won't be nearly as entertaining. ^_^
Posted by JasperFrancisShickadance 2 years ago
JasperFrancisShickadance
why'd you forfeit truth_seeker?
Posted by Shadow-Dragon 2 years ago
Shadow-Dragon
Jesus showed through miracles that He was the Son of God, but Jews refused to accept it. He turned water to wine, healed the leaper, fed five thousand with the only little food, healed the cripple, etc. I do not understand why Jews were too stubborn to accept what He did as true.
Posted by ESocialBookworm 2 years ago
ESocialBookworm
DO IT LIVE NOW!!!! Nac
Posted by ESocialBookworm 2 years ago
ESocialBookworm
This should've been done live
Posted by Wylted 3 years ago
Wylted
I didn't rhyme my RFD, my bad.
Posted by thett3 3 years ago
thett3
Forfeits are really not cool
Forfeits make me want to quit school
My rhymes suck a lot for sure
Airmax gets my score
Posted by whiteflame 3 years ago
whiteflame
I think I'll take my chances :P
Posted by Wylted 3 years ago
Wylted
Thank God she died as soon as she did, though. I couldn't keep being an atheist under wraps forever.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF, and it's Max. 'Nuff said.
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Reasons for voting decision: Truth_seeker forfeited this debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Airmax1227 has good conduct for not forfeiting. Grammar is equal. Con had better arguments and can bust a rhyme.
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Reasons for voting decision: Airmax's rhymes is da shitz. FF repeatedly -> conduct to Con
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Reasons for voting decision: FF and anyways airmax won that.
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Reasons for voting decision: "My opponent has forfeited, if I'm not mistaken, The original promise of god, still never forsaken, Part of a new covenant? so now can eat bacon. The messiah will eventually come, and nations awaken." lol Anyway, pro forfeited, so arguments + conduct to Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: מזל טוב
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