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Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are the worst religions in this universe/dimension/time.

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Started: 12/30/2007 Category: Religion
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Scyrone

Pro

These religions represent the poison of our society. They can be interpreted into so many evil ways, they make no sense, everything can be taken out of context, they support the worst well-beings for everyone, and I personally believe Solarman1969 promotes these religious ideals. I would like to debate you, Solarman, on Christianity, Islam, and Judaism being the worst religions ever. Blaspheme away.
Solarman1969

Con

Ok so what do you know about any of these religions?

Have you read the bible, Qu'ran, and hadiths?

What do you know of the history of Islam? Of Christianity?

Why do you leave out Hinduism and Buddhism, two other signficant religions?

Now, I will agree that religion in general has been a great source of conflict

But guess what? the Atheist Commies have murdered far more in recent times

This great nation was founded on the priciple that our rights come from GOD, not man, and therefore can NEVER be taken away by man.

This is VERY important.

Now, I am not going to go back several hundred years- I am going to focus on TODAY, and draw a FIRM distinction between Islam and Judeo_christianity TODAY

Did horrible things happen in the name of Christ in the long ago past? YES

Were they in accordance with his teachings ? NO

what is the source of most of the violence and conflict in the world today?

A: Islam

Are Christians and Jews bombing anyone today ? no
are there any CHristian suicide bombers? no
are there any Christian nations that dont have womens rights? no
are there any Islamic nations that have womens rights? no

are there any terrorist organizations that are non-islamic ? no

how many terrorist organizations are Islamic ? hundreds if not thousands

http://www.prophetofdoom.net...

Who provides most of the charity work around the world? Christians

Who are hard working family and civic oriented people ? the Jews

Who took desert and turned it into an incredible nation ? the Jews

What religion has major violent inter-faith squabbles? Islam

What religion has peaceful interfaith squabbles ? all the others

what religion has as is spiritual source a violent, child molester murderer sadisitic insane mysognyist (being charitable) - ISLAM (MOHAMMED)

what relgion has a peaceful , nice enlightened man at its head? ALL THE OTHERS, Jesus being the most obvious one, but Buddha and others also

Now here is some correction to your presmise

Christianity and Judaism provide a deep, meaningful faith to their adherents, with stong moral foundations by which they lead their lives.

Islam can be said to provide a similar theme- however, the character of the spritual leader being so defective, and the writings being so confused and immoral, there is MUCH confusion in Islam

How about religion and politics?

there is nothing in Christian or Judaic doctrine that says that the faith should play a role in politics.

this is NOT TRUE for ISLAM- it is ALL ENCOMPASSING

Furthermore, to be a Jew or a Christian, you must choose to be one by free will. There is no other way- there is no compulsion

Islam is COMPULSORY- your are forced to be muslim- if you ever change your mind, you are to be KILLED according to Islam

Finally in modern times, Islam is VIRULENTLY anti-democratic, anti-semitic, and anti-western

It is the root cause of violence in this world, and is currently trying to take over numerous societies by HOSTILE FORCE.

Everywhere that there is Islam, there is poverty, no economy, suppression of women, and threats to all citizens.

Everywhere Judaism or Christianity is the main religion, there is peace, democratic government, and liberty for all citizens

Ok , now you try and debate any of these FACTS I have given you

solarman
Debate Round No. 1
Scyrone

Pro

"Have you read the bible, Qu'ran, and hadiths?"

Yes.

"What do you know of the history of Islam? Of Christianity?"

A lot. Do you know anything of the history of them?

"Why do you leave out Hinduism and Buddhism, two other signficant religions?"

Because they are more peaceful and have not caused Wars and catastrophes on this planet that are major to history.

"Now, I will agree that religion in general has been a great source of conflict"

That I do not believe. I believe god-fearing, and greed converting religions have caused conflict.

"This great nation was founded on the priciple that our rights come from GOD, not man, and therefore can NEVER be taken away by man."

No, your nation was founded so that every individual can be free from each other, while not upsetting another man's individual freedom.

"Were they in accordance with his teachings ?"

Yes:

"You should not let a sorceress live. Exodus 22:17"

"Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. Exodus 22:19"

"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13"

There are many more verses that would apply.

"what is the source of most of the violence and conflict in the world today?"

Islam and Christianity and Judaism.

"Are Christians and Jews bombing anyone today ?"

Christians: Abortion Clinics
Jews: Palestinians

"are there any Islamic nations that have womens rights?"

But then again, Pakistan has a woman Prime Minister.

"are there any terrorist organizations that are non-islamic ?"

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Kahane Chai
Aum Supreme Truth

There is more.

"Who are hard working family and civic oriented people ?"

Many people are, not just Jews.

"Who took desert and turned it into an incredible nation ?"

It is still an almost desert. But now they just have constant conflict. And they never had it for the whole past time of the history of the Earth. You must remember, I am saying Universe/Dimension and TIME. Not just today, right now.

"What religion has major violent inter-faith squabbles?"

Islam physically, Christianity mentally.

"What religion has peaceful interfaith squabbles ?"

Every religion has peaceful squabbles.

"what religion has as is spiritual source a violent, child molester murderer sadisitic insane mysognyist (being charitable)"

Mohammed, Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, whatever you wanna call him.

"what relgion has a peaceful , nice enlightened man at its head?"

Not Jesus. Think Dark Ages, Witch Trials, Crusades (all 19 of them).

"Furthermore, to be a Jew or a Christian, you must choose to be one by free will. There is no other way- there is no compulsion"

No, it is the same as Islam. It is just that people like you like to change around the Bible a bit and ignore some parts and glorify others.

"Everywhere Judaism or Christianity is the main religion, there is peace, democratic government, and liberty for all citizens"

Because there is no peaceful opposition. If a million Atheists came into America to live, the Christians would try to kill them. They would think it outrageous.

Facts? I'll give you facts:

"Exodus 13:2 "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me.""

""At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.""

It was his daughter.

""Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." Deuteronomy 13:13-19"

"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.""

" They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. Judges 5:30"

Rape? Murder? From the Bible?

You proved Islam was violent. I only had to prove Christians and Jews were too.
Solarman1969

Con

It is interesting to me how the media has created in the youth and older liberals too dumb to know, incredible levels of apologism for Islamic terror.

Furthermore, the dissembling and incredible stretches that are made to try and EQUATE Islam with Christianity and Judaism or other faiths is laughable, and ingnorant to an incredible degree.

You , sycrone , are once again, too young and not knowledgeable to know what your talking about, and I know you wont listen , because you already know everything, but nonetheless I will once again try and educate you and the other kids on this site who have been propagandized my marxist educators, who have disdain for the great nation, Christians, and capitalism.

Lets look at your rebuttals, as well as what you OMITTED to rebut to.

(1) "This great nation was founded on the priciple that our rights come from GOD, not man, and therefore can NEVER be taken away by man."

No, your nation was founded so that every individual can be free from each other, while not upsetting another man's individual freedom.

WRONG. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WRONG.

Read what the founders wrote. They plainly state that our rights to be free come from the Almighty, and cannot be taken away by man

(2) "what is the source of most of the violence and conflict in the world today?"

Islam and Christianity and Judaism.

"Are Christians and Jews bombing anyone today ?"

Christians: Abortion Clinics
Jews: Palestinians

Ok heres the core of your false arguments, and are complete myths and nonsense

lets look at what you assert is "Christian violence" or this overblown suppposed assault on your cherished baby killing factories.

By far, the most common alibi against Islam's complicity is "fundamentalist Christians are no better with their bombings of abortion clinics."

So even though abortion clinic bombings have nothing to do with Islam, since Muslims site as some sort of justification to the evil found in their religion, I decided to investigate just how many people had been killed in abortion clinic terrorism. What I found was that in 1993, Michael Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn outside of his abortion facility. It was the first homicide associated with attacks on abortionists. In 1994, Paul Hill murdered abortionist James Barrett in Pensacola, Florida. On December 30th, 1994, John Salvi, a mentally handicapped and psychotic hairdresser shot wildly into clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts, killing two receptionists. He hung himself in prison.

Then, in January 1998, white supremacist Eric Rudolph bombed a Birmingham, Alabama abortion facility, killing an off-duty police officer. Then the last abortion related killing occurred on October 23rd, 1998, when an unidentified sniper shot and killed abortionist Barnett Slepian in his Buffalo, New York home

That means that three abortionists and three clinic employees have been killed by anti-abortion bombers/militants in the 29 years since Roe v. Wade made killing human embryos and unborn children legal. During this same time, Islamic terrorists have killed six-million people.

You'd have to be ignorant and out of your mind (or an ardent apologist liberal) to suggest that there is a moral equivalence here.

Next : the Israelis and the Palistinians

Ok , so here you are trying to falsely make a moral equivalence between the outright TERROR and committment to by Hamas anbd Fatah, and Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah to the IDF, the Israel defence force.

This is UTTER NONSENSE.

The Islamic Palis do NOT want peace- they want to DESTROY ISRAEL

Israel has bent over backwards for YEARS to try and do "Land fo Peace" and all kinds of other things to give the Palis a state and have a peaceful 2 state solution.

It will never happen , with Islam. Islam is bent on the destruction of the Jews and Israel.

the Jews are only defending themselves against vicious terror. They NEVER EVER have taken an agressive first action against any nation state

the only objectionable thing is their assassination of terror leaders- but I will leave that to others and the israeli intel to decide-

Overall- nice try buddy, but ISLAM ALONE is the source of world conflict and terror.

(3) "are there any Islamic nations that have womens rights?"

But then again, Pakistan has a woman Prime Minister.

You arent answering my question- because you cant- and no, Pak does NOT have a woman prime minister- Musharraf is not a woman.

NAME ONE ISLAMIC COUNTRY WITH EVEN MINIMAL WOMENS RIGHTS_____________

(4) "are there any terrorist organizations that are non-islamic ?"

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Kahane Chai
Aum Supreme Truth

Stephen Jordi, an active abortion arsonist, was a member of the white-supremacist Army of God. This anarchist group's "scriptures" include manuals on how to make a bomb, how to mutilate doctors, how to victimize healthcare workers, and how to be an effective terrorist. Experts believe that the neo-Nazi "Army of God" has been responsible for two out of every three clinic attacks. They are neither fundamentalists, nor Christians. They are anti-socialist fascists.

Aum Shinri Kyo is NOT a Christian group

The others I have no idea what they are

But your PATHETIC ATTEMPT to try and paint Christians as equivalent terrorists to Islamic ones has failed, and miserably

Again, here is the terrorism timeline, 1000 pages long. If you dont read it, you have no guts and are just another ingorant kid on this site spewing anti-Christian and anti-semitic propaganda

http://www.prophetofdoom.net...

(4) "what religion has as is spiritual source a violent, child molester murderer sadisitic insane mysognyist (being charitable)"

Mohammed, Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, whatever you wanna call him.

Oh really? Name one act of violence or abuse by Christ

Mohammed whole life was committing these heinous acts- learn !

"what relgion has a peaceful , nice enlightened man at its head?"

Not Jesus. Think Dark Ages, Witch Trials, Crusades (all 19 of them).

You cannot tie acts in the name of Christ to him- because he did NOT either do nor condone them - people doing violence in his name are ingorant

Furthermore, you need to go back to ancient history- there are no such things going on today

Again, your bigotry and ignorance shows

(5) "Furthermore, to be a Jew or a Christian, you must choose to be one by free will. There is no other way- there is no compulsion"

No, it is the same as Islam.

WRONG

You simply dont have the slightest clue what your talking about, and I am over trying to educate you - learn for youself

Islam is compulsory, and the penalty for leaving is DEATH

you must choose of your own free will to be a Christian or Jew, and there is no penalty for leaving or changing your mind.

(6)"Everywhere Judaism or Christianity is the main religion, there is peace, democratic government, and liberty for all citizens"

Because there is no peaceful opposition. If a million Atheists came into America to live, the Christians would try to kill them. They would think it outrageous.

Oh really? there are MILLIONS of RABID atheists in the US and Europe- who are VICIOUSLY ATTACKING Christians- but you cant name ONE, just ONE, who has been killed by a Christian. or even attacked physically

Nice try. In fact, Christians need to step up and defend their faith more.

Now , you cite some old testament verses, and try and paint a moral equiavlence once again

You proved Islam was violent. I only had to prove Christians and Jews were too.

Wrong.

Islam is death and evil

Christians and jews are good people.

the end
Debate Round No. 2
Scyrone

Pro

"Read what the founders wrote. They plainly state that our rights to be free come from the Almighty, and cannot be taken away by man"

And your factual evidence would be where?

I don't want your crap such as "IT"S THERR!!! GO AND REED IT!!! MARXIST!!!!" I want to see proof where it is written that the founders themselves wrote plainly that our rights come from Jesus Christ. If you can't find it, then you are a liar and a fool.

"So even though abortion clinic bombings have nothing to do with Islam"

Because it is Christians like you who would bomb abortion clinics.

"You'd have to be ignorant and out of your mind (or an ardent apologist liberal) to suggest that there is a moral equivalence here."

Violence is violence. But since you like history so much, let's go back further with how many people have died by Christianity.

The Dark Ages when the Pagan Roman Empire was killed off by the Christian Roman Empire.

The Witch Trials:

The Estimates for the grand total of people killed in the Witch Trials were "35,184 - 63,850". Wow. Christians deserve a break from all the trouble they have had in the world *sarcasm*

"The Islamic Palis do NOT want peace- they want to DESTROY ISRAEL

Israel has bent over backwards for YEARS to try and do "Land fo Peace" and all kinds of other things to give the Palis a state and have a peaceful 2 state solution."

Israel was asking for more than expected. Throughout history they had left their homeland to discover other nations and other places. When there was a small enough amount of Jews left, the Islamists started to take some barren, unused lands. Then when WW2 came, they started coming back. More and more came back to the former Israel to claim what they had left behind to die. Suddenly, since they were the victims of WW2, the UN sided with the former Israel in the conflict. They had left the land alone, but then they wanted to come back and take it. It is very childish. It is because of the Jews own stupidity that the Middle East is in so much conflict.

Jordan allows some freedom within the people and so does Egypt. Pakistan at some time had a woman Prime Minister. Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan all have what we call "separation of Church and State".

"NAME ONE ISLAMIC COUNTRY WITH EVEN MINIMAL WOMENS RIGHTS_____________"

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt.

"Aum Shinri Kyo is NOT a Christian group"

Yes, but your question was to say "are there any non-Islamic terrorist groups", which of course, you helped to provide an answer for me. Yes there are. So, even according to you, Islam is NOT THE ONLY religion to have terrorists, therefore supporting some of my claims.

And Army of God is most likely Christian, since a Christian is one who follows God's rules. This is part of the AoGs Secondary Defensive Action Statement:

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.

Maybe, Solarman, you could point me to where your supposed socialist evidence is supported? No? How about here?

http://www.armyofgod.com... (WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES INTENDED FOR SOLARMAN)

"Again, here is the terrorism timeline, 1000 pages long."

HAHA! It is not a terrorism timeline, it is a timeline of ONLY Islamic Terrorism. It doesn't show any Christian Terrorism. It's an anti-Muslim propaganda site that provides NO evidence for any of it's claims.

Jesus said: "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. Exodus 21:15"

He was great at saying these things.

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. Isaiah 13:15-18"

Let's talk about who the real baby killers are.

"there are MILLIONS of RABID atheists in the US and Europe- who are VICIOUSLY ATTACKING Christians- but you cant name ONE, just ONE, who has been killed by a Christian. or even attacked physically"

I want you to find me three examples of this. Provided with proof. Since you talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

"Christians need to step up and defend their faith more."

They can't because they can't back up fiction.

I found this quote made by you in your last post:

"Furthermore, you need to go back to ancient history- there are no such things going on today"

You obviously did not look at the topic of the debate. You have countered all my points with one piece of evidence of which does not apply to most of them. And you have not given me a shred of evidence against what it says about violence IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE. You have no reply. Saying "It doesn't happen today" won't work because it happened before and in the subject it says "TIME". In other words from the beginning of evolution to the end (whenever that is). You simply do not understand and you are trying to pick and choose what parts of the debate to debate, just like you do your "Marxist, socialist, Hitler-powered" Bible.

One more thing, watch Zeitgeist, an online movie documentary. I would like to see what evidence you have against it. Unless you are too busy calling everyone Marxists. (it's not offensive if it is true)

It's only the beginning.
Solarman1969

Con

Once again, child, you need to grow up and learn to spell, just to start

don't want your crap such as "IT"S THERR!!! GO AND REED IT!!! MARXIST!!!!"

Uhm, its READ and THERE, for your first grade spelling lesson that you seem to have forgotten

Now for your silliness, which has been fed to you by your marxist democrat leaders

(1) Because it is Christians like you who would bomb abortion clinics.

?????????????

(2) Jordan allows some freedom within the people and so does Egypt. Pakistan at some time had a woman Prime Minister. Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan all have what we call "separation of Church and State".

?????????????????????

(3) When there was a small enough amount of Jews left, the Islamists started to take some barren, unused lands. Then when WW2 came, they started coming back. More and more came back to the former Israel to claim what they had left behind to die. Suddenly, since they were the victims of WW2, the UN sided with the former Israel in the conflict. They had left the land alone, but then they wanted to come back and take it. It is very childish. It is because of the Jews own stupidity that the Middle East is in so much conflict.

???????????????????

(4) "NAME ONE ISLAMIC COUNTRY WITH EVEN MINIMAL WOMENS RIGHTS_____________"

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt.

ha ha ha ha - you obviously havent been there

the rest of your points are just typical babble from another child

I hope your happy winning your "victory" of ignorance over truth

cheers

Solarman
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Heres another interesting take from GB

Minister warns of ‘inbred' Muslims

The Times ^ | 2/11/2008 | Dipesh Gadher, Christopher Morgan and Jonathan Oliver

Posted on 02/11/2008 12:11:54 PM PST by XR7

A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the "elephant in the room". Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: "If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there'll be a genetic problem."

The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: "The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children]."

Woolas emphasised the practice did not extend to all Muslim communities but was confined mainly to families originating from rural Pakistan. However, up to half of all marriages within these communities are estimated to involve first cousins.

Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses.

The minister's comments come as Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, rejected calls to resign over claims that Islamic law should be introduced in Britain. "I'm not contemplating resignation," he told friends.

Williams insists his remarks were misinterpreted and that he was not advocating a parallel sharia jurisdiction for Muslims, but Lord Carey, his predecessor, warned acceptance of Muslim laws in Britain would be "disastrous".

The archbishop is believed to have received hate mail since he made his controversial comments but has rejected offers of round-the-clock police protection.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Well there is a STARK difference between the government in a free country ALLOWING people to excercise their free will and enter into contractual realtions

it is FAR different to OFFICIALLY sanction ANOTHER set of laws as being superior or OVER the actual law of the land (is this case based on our constitution)

Sharia, as I understand it, and I have studied this extensively is essentially an ALL ENCOMPASSING set of laws( if you want to call them that) which REPLACE whatever set of laws already exist

In other words, its not about piece meal thinks like Halal (or Kosher) but the whole kit and caboodle

and we CANNOT have that here or any free nation

As long as people want to do things that dont VIOLATE exisiting LAWS of this nation, then fine

As soon as the line is crossed, they must be stopped and prosecuted

My MAIN point is that Islam ITSELF is POISON, DEATH, SUFFERING , MISERY and should itself be BANNED as anti-constitutional and actually , insurrection - like in nature

If you look at ANYWHERE muslims have been given inroads, trouble, serious trouble, follows

every single time

I realize my position is FAR ahead of the curve here, but I have enough evidence to support my position against the onslaught of people who will oppose what I say

This is the defining issue of good vs evil in the 21st century

the free vs Islam/communism/fascism

and other than Chavez, Castro and a few crackpots, the main enemy of freedom remaining on planet earth is ISLAM
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
mjg283
Solarman, I don't see what I have to study in more detail because you didn't really address my point. I'm not defending Sharia at all. I am all too aware of how awful life is in the countries you list. This is not a matter of what we SHOULD do -- it already IS the law. In this country, people can enter into contracts to agree to all sorts of stupid things, as long as they do so voluntarily, and they are not otherwise violating the law.

You can't single out Muslims for exceptions to neutral principles of law simply because you don't like their religion. The Constitution is rather clear on that.

Besides, MANY contracts in this country involve aspects of Sharia law that most rational people would have no difficulty enforcing. Many Muslim-owned restaurants advertise that their meat is "Halal". My guess is this is explicitly set out in their contracts with suppliers. The Muslim owner probably paid his supplier a premium above and beyond what meat would normally cost so he could obtain Halal meat. If somebody sends a restaurant non-Halal meat, would you really deny the man the right to enforce his freely bargained-for contract just because it involves aspects of Sharia?

Of course, I fully oppose efforts to enforce aspects of Sharia (even under the banner of "accommodation") on non-consenting folks. That's where the fight needs to be had. But if otherwise law-abiding people want their INTERNAL disputes governed by those doctrines, that's fine by me.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
NO NO NO

You HAVE to study this in much more detail

FIRST of all , Sharia and Rabbinical law have NOTHING in common

Sharia is NOT set in stone at all- there are hundreds if not thousands of interpretations of sharia, depending on the seventh grade edcuated cleric who is making the ruling

nearly ALL of the aspects of Sharia are in direct conflict with

(1) freedom

(2) liberty

(3) the rule of law

(4) women and their rights

WE CANNOT in the west allow Islam at ALL

and in particular we cannot allow even the first inkling of sharia or ANY muslim rules - it is a TROJAN horse

look at the sudan and other places where sharia has entered the fray

the WEST must RESIST this VIRULENT EVIL called ISLAM
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
mjg283
I think the Archbishop's comments are being taken a bit out of context. I read them to mean that Britain would have a situation that's really very similar to what we have in the United States. Muslims can have some of their disputes decided by Sharia law if they agree to do so.

This is already common practice in the US. Orthodox Jews, for example, often contract to have their disputes exclusively resolved by a Rabbinic Court (a "Beit Din") rather than by the courts. US courts have also enforced contracts which provided that disputes between Muslims would be exclusively adjudicated by Islamic clerics in accordance with Sharia law.

If Muslims want their internal disputes governed by Sharia, that doesn't bother me so long as: (i) they don't force it on me; and (ii) no criminal laws are being violated (such as legalizing honor killings or something like that).
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Hello -

i think its hillarious to watch as people ( thinking people that is and not knee-jerk la la la cant we all get along shagri-la utopia for all liberals)

slowly

but surely

as they do research, and look at the news , start to get what I am saying, ,which is FACT

(1) Islam is a dangerous virulent death cult which MUST be stopped and opposed completely, spiritually, militarily and politically

It must be BANNED

(2) Christianity, Judaism and the other worlds religions are our main BULWARKS against Islam

there are NO Cristian suicide bombers and mass murderers

there are NO Christian dictators who want to destroy others

so all the pap about far long ago things like the Inquisition, etc are STUPID comparisons to TODAY

Here is TODAY's contributions from "the religion of peace"

Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams says its time to bring
Sharia law to Britain. Aside from Hindus, Christians, Jews, atheists, artists, homosexuals, drinkers, intellectuals and women, we can't possibly imagine anyone objecting to such a sensible suggestion.

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"

2/11/2008 (Mir Ali, Pakistan) - A suicide bomber detonates at a political rally, killing eight people.
2/10/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 65-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim militants while sitting in a tea shop.
2/10/2008 (Yathrib, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber at a marketplace blasts thirty-three Iraqi shoppers to Allah.
2/10/2008 (Albo Efan, Iraq) - A suicide attack leaves three civilians dead. A woman is shot to death elsewhere.
2/10/2008 (Tal Abta, Iraq) - Two women and four children are among the dead when al-Qaeda gunmen attack a Sunni village.
2/10/2008 (Heart, Afghanistan) - Religious extremists ambush a vehicle, killing a young man inside.

Ill Keep it coming until everyone gets it

the TRUTH is on MY SIDE , and YOUR SIDE
Posted by C-Mach 9 years ago
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Scyrone, Islam DOES forcibly convert people (Conversion or death, if you're not a Christian or a Jew), and if you convert from Islam to any other religion (or lack thereof), other Muslims have an obligation to kill you.
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
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No reason to apologize -- I was just giving a piece of advice -- after all, in a sense, I "debate" for a living. Your other site wasn't "fake" at all. It just wasn't all that persuasive, for the reason I mentioned. I actually didn't find your second cite all that persuasive either. In fact, I thought Armstrong's analysis was actually far more superficial than the Ahmadi folks. All she did was take a handful of quotes from the Quran to make her case, without any discussion of: (i) how those quotes have actually been interpreted by Islamic scholars; and (ii) how Muslims have actually conducted themselves over the past 1400 years.

I think many peoples over the course of history would take issue with the claim that "Islam did not impose itself by the sword."

And her use of Quranic quotes is pretty selective. She claims that "Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the "People of the Book" who worship the same God." She completely ignores the numerous anti-Jewish passages in the Book, most notably Surah 5:82, which states that "the worst enemies of believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers."

http://www.masjidtucson.org...

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Posted by anwermate 9 years ago
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My sincerest apologies, here is a real link of which i took a minute to find, http://www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org.... I had made the general assumption that solarman would be hypocritical and not read my sources as he advised voters to do to his links. I merely wanted to show that because he had a website agaisnt islam, the opposite would also be true. It is true that i did not read the website, and that i should have, however i trusted the fact that solarman would not be diligent in checking my sources because it seems that he has done little research for his own debates and therefor would not research on my comment.
Posted by mjg283 9 years ago
mjg283
"im guessing your dillon browne, lacan. and mjg, i just searched "islam peacful" on google and clicked the first link, if i took like 3 min i could find a true source, it was just to prove a point to solarman."

The problem is that the website you cited did NOT prove the point you were trying to make. If anything, it contradicted your point (and supported Solarman's argument) because the statements about peace were being made by a group that is apparently REJECTED by mainstream Muslims.

To the extent possible, you should ALWAYS know exactly what it is you're citing to when you use evidence to back up an argument.
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