Christianity is a Bad Religion
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Christianity has killed the most amount of people in the world. It has started wars. How can this be good? The Old Testament is riddled with horrible ideals and orders given by god. The Old Testament says slavery is OK, it says to kill adulterers homosexuals, non-Christians, most sinners, etc. It objectifies women and denies them equality. How is this a good religion?
To start, the religion of Christianity had never started a war. The people practicing it did. This may sound like semantics, but there is a very real difference between the people practicing a religion and the religion itself, especially ehen the practitioners are found directly against the core teachings of the religion! Some of Jesus's most famous teachings are to love your neighbor as yourself, and to turn the other cheek when provoked. Starting wars (I assume you mean the Crusades, as you didn't give any examples, I will go with that) for no other reason then the "other people" practice a different faith is against everything Christianity stands for.
The idea that Christianity has killed the most people in the world is absurd! From what I can find, the Crusades killed about 1.7 million, and the Spanish Inquisition killed 3000-5000 people. Yes, this is a big number put together. however, again, this is not what was taught by Jesus. This was people acting out of their own fear and bigotry using God as a cover. Even if you count that as Christianity, it is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the amount of people killed by disease. Smallpox, in the 20'th century alone, killed about 300 million. That is many, many times greater then Christianity, and that is only counting one century. Yes, people practicing Christianity may have been responsible for more, but I think smallpox, in one century, beats that. If not, think about all the centuries before it, without medical care, and all the other deadly diseases that have caused so much more death then any religion could do.
No, people acting in God's name falsely is not good, but the assertions you made were completely false.
For the next part of the debate, please forgive me if I am not responding to the instances you were thinking of when you wrote your argument, but as you never provided examples, I can only go off of what I guess.
1. Riddled with horrible ideals and orders given by God.
Let's see, if you mean ordering the Isrealites to kill a neighboring tribe. This sounds bad, but the people God commanded the Isrealites to destroy were horrible, evil, barbaric people who indulged in murder, cannibalism, and child sacrifice. They were also increasingly warlike, so posed a great threat to Isreal, God's chosen people. In a word, it was a preemptive strike ordered by God to protect his people. Other "horrible orders": opening to the book of Duteromony, the book of the Bible that contains most of the Old Testament rules, here are some of the first rules I read.
Chapter 19, Verse 15. "One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." This isn't evil. This is good, defending rights of people in barbaric times.
Chapter 5, Verses 6-21. 6 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 "You shall have no other gods before[b] me.
8 "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
11 "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
12 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
16 "Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
17 "You shall not murder.
18 "You shall not commit adultery.
19 "You shall not steal.
20 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
21 "You shall not covet your neighbor"s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor"s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
I don't have the character count to explain why none of these are evil, so if Pro wants to dispute any of this, he can give his argument against it in the next round.
2. Old Testament says slavery is ok. This is simply untrue, like the rest of Cons claims. In fact, the selling of slaves was prohibited. "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16) God is so against slavery, that slavers should be put to death by His law. That surely is not saying that slavery is ok!
3.yes, the Old Testement does say to kill adulterers. That is because adulterers broke a holy pact that signifies the Union of two people in a loving relationship. Adulterers break that holy pact, a terrible crime.
I honestly don't know where the Bible tells people to kill homosexuals, or non-Christians. Seriously, if you want a response to your arguments, you need to tell where you are finding these things. I can't spend my whole day looking for them.
4. "It objectifies most women and denies them equality". How, again does it objectify women? Ihave heard that it denies women equality, but I have never found that myself. Please show me where you found that. I'm tired of looking all over the Internet and my Bible to find things you could have spent one minute of effort to add in, as I asked you to in a comment. I believe that BOP is on Pro, but just in case, think of Christianity for one second. The New Testement, which you seem to have no objections to. It seems to me that your quarrel is with Judiasm, not Christianity. Jesus's message was a simple one, one of peace, love, peaceful evangelicalism, and acceptance. I do not understand how that is bad. I don't think Pro does either.
Please excuse any typos you find, I typed this up in my phone because my family isn't awake yet...
My Bible, NIV Translation
Good luck in the next round, and please give verses that you use for evidence.
You present many quotes that try to prove your point, but you forget the thousands of cruel and terrible quotes in the Bible. For example:
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (1 Timothy 2:12)
"This is what the Lord Almighty says... "Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."" (1 Samuel 15:3)
how can killing women and children be just?
"Do not allow a sorceress to live." (Exodus 22:18)
we know witches are not real....so many innocents killed.
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and inquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Now do not get me wrong. I've seen Christianity help many people and it can be a very good thing. I know Christians do not follow these passages. But what I am saying is that Christianity is bad on paper.
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