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Christianity is a force for good in the world.

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Started: 9/4/2014 Category: Religion
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I will be arguing against the premise.

The debate will go as follows.

1) Acceptance
2) Opening statement
3) Rebuttal
4) Closing statement


Hello, thanks for putting out the challenge. Shall we hear the opening argument against the matter?
Debate Round No. 1


When I observe the horrors in the back catalog of Christianity, it seems fitting that the image chosen as their earthly symbol, is one of most abhorrent forms of bronze-age Middle Eastern execution. In order to fully understand the role Christianity plays in the world today we must first look back at the terrors conducted in its repugnant name. Here I will name but a few of the achievements of Christianity: The crusades, the inquisition, the persecution of the Jewish people, the forced conversion of indigenous peoples, the African slave trade and the deafening silence during Hitler's Final Solution. A list of accomplishments, which perhaps, would not be towards the top of ones curriculum vitae.

Now to look towards the modern day, the Christian church remains a patriarchal establishment. The injustice to women is institutional. That is half the world"s population who are doomed to be listed with the livestock. On top of the patriarchy there is of course anti-homosexuality, these are people who are being punished by the church, not for what they believe, but for who they love and how they express it. This cannot be good for the world. Love is so desperately lacking in life, love needs dispensing not suppressing. Another unforgivable aspect of the modern day church is the idea that AIDS as a disease is bad, however, not as bad as condoms. Millions dead, for whom? And for what? It certainly wasn't for any force of good. Finally in this opening statement I will briefly touch on the most reprehensible part of Christianity in recent times, the long-standing institutional child rape. I do not think I need to expand on the point of pedophilia and why it is wrong. A force for good? Well, unquestionably not a good that I would fight for.

No one can argue Christianity doesn't have some wonderful morals, however, these morals are not exclusive to Christianity, and the works of charity done by Christians are not exclusive to Christians. The force for good is already within human beings, Christianity, perhaps not intentionally, but undoubtedly persistently, distorts it.


While you are correct about the crusades and other battles fought over Christianity, remember that while the humans may not always make the right choices, the religion governing them wants them to. The bible itself is indeed a strong force for good, and there are countless major benefits from Christianity. The church is the single largest provider of healthcare and education in the world, especially in the poorest countries where it is needed most.
Christianity also pioneered social work. The first American woman to ever be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize was Jane Addams. The church also co-founded the first settlement house in the US, hoping to bridge the gap between poor and rich.
The London society for the prevention of cruelty to children, or the London SCCP, campaigning from the wider church, was the first force to stop cruelty towards children, and from them the first UK law about child neglect and cruelty was created.
Churches were also the first orphanages, opening their arms in the Middle Ages to unwanted children that were left at the Churches' doorsteps. This practice ultimately started the orphanage movements we have today. I could go on for hours listing the countless things Christianity has done for the world.
Debate Round No. 2


JoshRice forfeited this round.


Ultimately the question being asked is if Christianity is a force of good in the world. IS it a force for good, not HAS it been a force for good. And ultimately even when you look at it from two different angles, it's apparent that indeed our God is a God of love. He wants us to be loving and caring, and when humanity strays from those values, who is to blame? Not The Lord, but in fact ourselves. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3


Apologies for forfeiting the previous round.

Certainly Christianity is the largest single organization for healthcare in the world, but with over a billion members there aren"t many organizations that could offer that level of service, but that"s not to say they wouldn"t if possible. This has nothing to do with Christianity, this is a want to help your fellow man, an instinctive drive that all people and societies need in order for us to survive and evolve.

To dispute your point on the church starting the orphanage movement I will direct you to this piece from the writings of Plato, many hundreds of years before the church was helping orphans, by the way, no doubt they were orphans due to some war funded by the church. Plato (Laws, 927) says: "Orphans should be placed under the care of public guardians. Men should have a fear of the loneliness of orphans and of the souls of their departed parents. A man should love the unfortunate orphan of whom he is guardian as if he were his own child. He should be as careful and as diligent in the management of the orphan's property as of his own or even more careful still."(1)

Furthermore, you mention Jane Addams, but a recent study of her found that Jane Addams "had come to epitomize the force of secular humanism." Her image was, however, "reinvented" by the Christian churches.(2) Here we can see that you have fallen into a trap laid by the church, claiming that one of the brightest lights of humanity belonged to their ranks, when in reality Jane Addams was agnostic at best and indeed a secular humanist.

Now to quote you directly: "He (god) wants us to be loving and caring, and when humanity strays from those values, who is to blame? Not The Lord, but in fact ourselves."

Now this argument is heavily flawed to me, why should this apparent god receive praise for all the good humanity achieves, yet when something bad happens it"s the humans who are at fault, now to me that seems to be a slight double standard.

Now I will leave you with this. In mathematics a positive multiplied by a positive equals a positive, but, a negative multiplied by a positive equals a negative. So if we take all the negatives Christianity has done and all the positives and multiply them together, it is still a negative.

To put this in more simple terms imagine a serial killer with 50 innocent victims. Should he be forgiven because he did some charity work on the weekends? The answer is of course no.

Christianity is not a force for good in the world. The hatred found in Leviticus and the pedophilia dispersed in the places of worship are enough to see this on their own. Not to mention the other points I have raised. People are good and just enough already to need a bronze-age book dictating their lives.

(2)Christie, C., Gauvreau, M. (2001). A Full-Orbed Christianity: The Protestant Churches and Social Welfare in Canada, 1900-1940 McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP, Jan 19, 2001 pg 107


Beryllium forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
Most AIDS cases are homo's or people who are not using good judgment who they sleep with.Most VD is from any immoral acts, according to the church. Now you can say that you will not listen to the church, and that is your right. But how many people get diseases then blame God for letting it happen. I have heard hundreds of people blaming God for bad things happening. Why me lord.Yet he says that people perish young for a lack of spiritual knowledge.No other reason does he give us. Jesus healed ALL that came to him. He is the same today.
Posted by JoshRice 2 years ago
No, not in the slightest.

The church is known for it's claims that, not only do condoms not work, but they are evil.

My argument was questioning the decision of the church to annnounce the use of condoms a sin, which has had significant impact on the spread of HIV and AIDS in the Christian population of the developing world.
Posted by LogicalLunatic 2 years ago
So, your reasoning is...
C1. Unprotected sex leads to AIDS
C2. Condoms are not available
C3. You have sex anyway
C4. You get AIDS
Conclusion: Blame it on the lack of condoms

Am I the only one who sees the severe flaw in this line of reasoning?
Posted by LogicalLunatic 2 years ago
If you don't want this to be the case, then I advise changing the title of this debate to "Christianity has been a force for good in the world".
Posted by LogicalLunatic 2 years ago
"Is". That is, right now in the present, and not counting its history.
Posted by JoshRice 2 years ago
Well, now that is an entirely new debate in itself. I mean good as in having a positive impact on the world.
Posted by blackkid 2 years ago
How do measure "good"?
Posted by JoshRice 2 years ago
Religion as a whole, but preferably focusing on the three major monotheistic ones.
Posted by Truth_seeker 2 years ago
which religion?
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